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Jon.
Do you know why we wanna talk to you, Jon?
I don't know,
I think so.
Why do you think I wanna talk to you?
About that boy.
- Yes? - Because someone took him and killed him.
Yes.
It wasn't me, I never went to Bootle Strand.
Well we're not gonna talk about that just now.
First we're gonna talk about something else.
Do you know what truth is, Jon?
Yeah.
Go on, you tell us what you think truth is.
That you've done something and it's true.
And what if you were telling lies?
I don't know.
Is telling lies wrong?
- Yeah. - So if I said that your face is green
and your hair is pink, would that be a lie?
Yeah.
Okay, so you know what a lie is.
Robert, you've seen the pictures on TV
showing James and the two boys who took him, haven't you?
Yeah, it isn't me 'cause I didn't take him.
Well there's a boy in the video
who has a jacket just like yours.
There's lots of jackets the same as mine.
Well there's also a boy with a jacket like Jon's walking next to James.
Well, he's not walking with me.
But you were there, weren't you?
Yeah, I was there.
I saw him but I didn't take him.
What was he doing?
He was just with his mum, he had a blue coat.
I think, Jon, you should know that Robert
is at Walton Lane police station
and he's told a different story of what happened on Friday.
Robert probably told lies.
What do you think Robert lied about?
I don't know, you think I killed the kid?
No, they don't think that, Jon.
There's no need to get upset.
No one's saying that, Jon.
They just want to know where you've been.
If you've been robbing all day, you should tell them.
I never went to Bootle Strand.
Now is that the truth or a lie?
The truth.
Jon told me earlier that Robert
was going to tell all kinds of lies.
Robbie took me to places I didn't know.
He's frightened because he doesn't know
all the places and Robert does.
Was it the Bootle Strand?
No. - You see, Robert says that he was with you
and that you were indeed in Bootle New Strand together.
- We wasn't. - Robert says you were.
Yeah, we was but we never saw any kids there,
we never robbed any kids.
So you were in Bootle New Strand?
Was you at Bootle Strand?
Yeah, but we never got a kid, mum, we never got a kid.
Mrs. Venables, would you, I must ask you not to get angry with him.
We never got a kid, mum, we never,
we saw those lads together, we did,
we never got a kid, mum, mum, we never got a kid,
you think we did, we never, mum, we never.
I think you saw more of James
because you wouldn't remember a blue coat
- from a brief glance. - I never took him.
Well, we believe that you left
with baby James and with Jon.
- Says who? - We say.
No, I never left with him.
Well, tell me what happened then.
I never touched him.
That's why you noticed his anorak,
because Jon had hold of his hand, isn't that right?
Yeah, Jon grabbed hold of the baby's hand
and just walked around with him for a bit,
but then he let him go loose.
Where did Jon let him go?
By the church.
I told Jon to take him back.
Well I have a statement from a woman
who said she saw two boys with a baby on the reservoir.
Now I think that's you and Jon with James.
What happened to him?
We just found him at the bottom of the hill.
Did he have a fall?
That's a bad bruise.
He was like that when we found him.
You'd best take him to Walton Lace Police Station,
do you know where it is?
Yeah, we'll bring him now.
If you knew that I went to Bootle Strand--
I would have strangled you, yeah.
And wouldn't you have thought I'd killed a kid, I never--
I'd never think that.
Because, because I would have told,
because I thought you'd think I done it.
If I would have known all this now, Jon,
I would have had you down the police station right away
instead of them banging on my front door
making a show of me in the streets.
But I,
I thought you'd think I killed him.
We just found him, he was lost at the Strand.
We're bringing him to the police station now.
If you found him by the Strand,
why didn't you bring him to the police station by the Strand?
We were bringing him to Walton Lane Police Station.
Well, you've come an awfully long way from the Strand to Walton Lane Police Station.
Well, that's where the man directed us.
Where do you live?
The police station is on the way home.
Are you all right?
We'll bring him to the police station.
Would you mind looking after my little girl
while I take him to the station?
Oh, my dog doesn't like children,
he's afraid of them, sorry.
Okay, boys, do you know which way you're going?
Yeah, we know.
Are you sure you know the way?
I'll go that way, missus.
So, you did leave with James then?
Yeah, we went to the Strand
and we picked up little James up.
Well, he, Jon did.
Right.
Then we took him down and left him on the How.
On the How?
By the railway.
Why did you leave James there?
'Cause if we took him to the police station,
then we'd have to go inside. He wasn't crying anymore, he was just looking around,
he'd only had a graze.
Now, would you have left baby Ben,
your brother there, if he was two?
No, 'cause he's my brother.
And would you have left a similar boy?
He's not, though, he's not any relation to us.
Mum, is Jon getting asked this?
Robert says that you took James by the hand
and led him out out to the Strand shops.
- We never, we never-- - No, not we,
Robert is saying that you took him by the hand.
- We never. - Not Robert, you did it.
- I never. - Well, why would Robert say that about you?
He's a liar!
- All right, come on love, you tell them the truth. - I never took him
by the hand, I never even touched the baby.
- Jon, are you all right to carry on? - Yeah.
Jon, look at me.
If you want to stop at anytime, you just say so.
You need to tell the truth, Jon,
because you keep telling us stories.
I never got the boy.
Well, if you never got the boy, tell us what happened.
Was it Robert?
- You're nodding your head. - Yeah, he left him in the road.
Right, well, let's go back to the Strand.
No, I never touched a boy, mum, I never.
Okay.
Come here, son, all right, come on, come on.
- Oh God, no. - Settle yourself down.
I can't, I never touched him.
Sit down, go to your mum.
All right, all right, you're going to get me crying now, look.
- I never, mum. - I know you wouldn't, I know you wouldn't do that to a boy.
All right, well, why don't you tell us what happened, Jon?
I left Robert on his own.
Tell me the truth, now Jon, please.
I never killed him, mum,
we took him and left the canal, mum, that's all.
He left him at the canal, by the Strand?
Yeah.
Where did you find the boy in the Strand?
I don't know, he was just walking around on his own.
I never killed him, mum, I never killed him, mum,
I wouldn't hurt a baby.
I know you wouldn't hurt a baby.
I wanna go home, I've already told you what I know.
You're gonna put me in jail, I never, mum!
I never, I never, I never, I never, I never, I never.
You see, Robert, if James was bleeding
and we find his blood on your clothes or Jon's,
then we'd know that you were there when he was bleeding.
But how would you know it was baby James' blood?
We'd know because we have his body.
Where?
Well, it doesn't matter where,
he's probably been to the hospital first.
Why?
To take blood from his arm like they did with you.
They've taken him to try get him alive again?
No.
No, they can't do that.
I was told he got chopped in half,
well, he couldn't come alive again, could he,
if he'd been chopped in half?
The blood might be mine 'cause I was bleeding from a cut.
Well, you couldn't do that with your shoe
and the blood has been found on your shoe.
I never murdered him.
You're just trying to say that I murdered him.
Why aren't you doing this to Jon?
Ask Jon, I never touched him.
Jon,
your dad and I want to say something to you
and it's important, all right?
Okay.
We want you to know that
we love you, very, very much.
More than anything.
And nothing is going to change that, okay?
- Okay. - So...
What I'm trying to say, Jon,
is that no matter what happens, no matter what you've done,
even if it's really, really bad,
we'll always love you, you know that, don't you?
Yeah.
We'll always love you, Jon.
But you've got to tell the truth.
Mum.
Mum, I wanted to tell you.
I did kill him.
What about his mum?
Will you tell her I'm sorry?
Where did you find James?
At the butcher's.
And whose idea was it to take him?
Mine, then it was Robert's idea to kill him.
Why did you want to take him?
I just said to Robert, is that boy lost or something?
We were looking around for his mum for a bit,
but then we got fed up and we went outside to the canal.
Come on, baby, come on, let's look at the water, come on.
Let's push him in.
Then Robert picked him up and threw him on the floor,
and that's how he got the bump on his head.
- Was he crying then? - Yeah.
We ran away but then we came back
and he was already walking up to us.
I'm sick of having my little brother,
I have him from school all the time.
I'm gonna tell my mum I ain't gonna mind him no more.
Come on.
We got to the middle of the bridge
and Robert opened the paint tin,
and then
he threw it in James' face.
I can't tell you anything else.
Why?
'Cause that's the worst bit.
Okay, right,
I know that's the worst bit,
but you know what you did and if you try hard,
you'll be able to tell us.
Just have a little rest, think about it
and just tell us what happened.
We took him on the railway
and started throwing bricks at him.
Who did?
Robbie.
He just said, he said, "Stand there
"and we'll get you a plaster or something."
Then he lifted this brick up and threw it in his face.
You've denied a lot of things, Robert,
and then admitted them.
We were right about those things,
and we're right about this as well.
Yeah, well, I didn't kill him.
If you just tell them the truth, this will all be over in a few minutes.
Jon threw a brick in his face.
Why?
I don't know.
Right, we're getting there, aren't we?
We're getting to the truth now.
Yeah, well, I'm gonna end up getting all the blame
'cause I've got blood on me.
What happened after Jon threw the brick?
The brick hit him in his face
and he fell over on the floor.
Why the hell didn't you just leave?
I did, after that I ran.
I left Jon on his own.
- What was the baby doing? - He was just on the floor crying.
Was he awake or asleep?
What do you mean?
Like was he asleep, or?
He was awake.
Then Robbie said,
"Pick up a brick and throw it."
But I just,
I threw it on the floor.
I missed it on purpose 'cause I didn't wanna hurt him.
But then Robbie picked up the same brick and threw it again.
I don't think that you've told us the full truth.
That's all I seen.
We already know about things that happened
and it doesn't explain a lot of things.
And you were there, like, and seen me?
No, but we can tell what happened from his injuries.
Why would I take flowers over to the baby if I killed him?
I know the truth, I believe I know the truth.
So do I, I was there.
- That's right. - You weren't.
Then Robbie threw about 10 bricks.
I only threw six or five,
but I missed James and hit him in the arm
because I never meant to hit him in the arm,
I wanted to get the brick to the side of him,
Was he bleeding?
All over.
It's all our family,
it's always our family that gets the blame.
Your family might've got blamed in the past,
but on this occasion, we're right, aren't we?
No, 'cause I never touched him.
Tell us what happened then.
Jon threw another brick.
Where did that hit him?
On there.
What happened then?
Then he hit him again with a big metal thing that had holes in it.
Where did he hit him with that?
In the head, he just went like that and hit him.
He hit him with the bar
and I think he was knocked out.
Then we threw a few bricks at him and we ran away.
Why did you run away?
I don't know,
I just said to Robert,
don't you think we've done enough now?
Were you angry with James?
No, I didn't really want to hurt him.
I didn't want to hurt him or nothing,
'cause I didn't want to hurt him with strong things,
only, like, light things.
So, you only wanted to hurt him a little bit.
Answer the question.
Why did you want to hurt him a little bit?
I mean, I didn't want to hurt him, really,
Robert probably,
Robbie was probably doing it for fun or something,
'cause he was laughing his head off.
Why did, why did he do all this?
Why did Jon do all this?
I don't know, that's what I don't know.
I don't believe, Robert, that you just stood idly by
while Jon did all those things.
I was trying to pull Jon back.
Job has admitted to throwing stones, things like that,
but he's also blaming you on a lot of things.
I don't think Jon did everything.
Yeah, well, I never.
I think you hit him.
Well, that's what you think.
There's only one person here that knows the whole truth.
I know, and I've just said it all.
I know I never hit him so I've got nothing to bother about.
I can't,
I can't sit through any more of this.
Did either of you take James' clothes off?
Robert pulled his pants off and his undies
and I pulled his shoes off.
Why?
I don't know why, it was last week, I keep forgetting.
I don't any more now, dad.
He's asking me too hard questions.
Why would I want to kill a baby
when I've got a baby of my own?
If I wanted to kill a baby, I'd kill my own, wouldn't I?
Well, you said your own baby is family, didn't you?
What do you mean?
Well, that's what you said.
I know he's my family, I'm not stupid.
I don't even know what you're going on about.
When James' body was found,
his bottom clothing had been removed.
Can you tell us why that is?
- No. - Did you start playing with him?
With who?
With James' bottom.
No.
Are you sure now?
Yeah, I'm not a pervert, you know?
Jon says it was you who pulled off his pants and his underpants.
So in other words, you're taking what Jon says
and just ignoring me, so I'll ignore you.
There was an injury to James' mouth.
Do you know anything about that?
No, I'm not answering any more.
I think there's still some things you haven't told us, Jon.
The batteries, why were the batteries there?
I don't know.
I think you do know, Jon.
I never put them there, Robert just threw them.
It was a little bit more than throwing them.
I don't know, I don't know, dad.
Jon, is it horrible what happened to the batteries?
I don't know anything about what Robert did with the batteries.
Why are you crying then?
Because you'll blame it on me, that I had them, I don't know about the batteries,
I don't know, I don't know.
Hey, hey, don't go to punch your dad.
My dad thinks I know and I don't.
You're saying I do and I don't, I only know he got killed.
Calm down, Jon.
Can you tell us what happened to James' mouth?
I don't know, I never saw nothing.
Jon, you've got to admit to yourself
but you saw everything that happened there
because you were a part of it.
No, I never.
So you can't say you didn't see.
No, I want my mum, please, I never.
Please, I don't know, make it stop, dad,
please, make it stop, make it stop,
make it stop, make it stop, make it stop!
We're gonna take a drive, Jon.
We'll start at the Strand and you can show us the route you took from there.
Look, that's us.
There's a lot of those around.
You don't need them now, do you?
How come my picture is in black and white,
and Robert's isn't?
Don't know, Jon.
Was that a train going past?
- Yeah. - I know all them trains.