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Most of these, I don't think
are drawings, back in here.

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I don't know how many I got.
More drawings.

3
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But there are a few.

4
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See? And this is what
they wouldn't like,

5
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because you see all this stuff.

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Why somebody who is supposed to
be thinking about driving cars

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and what they're gonna
do in their life

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mes-sing around,
putting-pasting pictures

9
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of random dogs into a notebook?

10
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So, that's why things
are better these days,

11
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because now you can point
anybody to of

12
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on the net,
and they'll say, "hey."

13
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You know, even if your
teacher doesn't know about it,

14
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you can say, "well, I'm a furry."

15
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I like animals
'cause I'm a furry.

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I'm in... you know,
I draw this stuff.

17
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It's not because
I'm totally weird.

18
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I just draw this stuff
'cause I'm,

19
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you know, into this group

20
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"and into
this kind of scene."

21
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A lot of double takes,

22
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downtown Pittsburgh,
this weekend, Janelle.

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Yeah, there are a lot
of business suits,

24
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and people going to work,

25
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and then, you see
folks like this.

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Yes, the of have arrived.

27
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Folks who have never
seen them before,

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don't be scared if you see
a six-foot tall raccoon

29
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walking by your window. No, you're
not going crazy, it's just us.

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A lot of people might ask,

31
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why is it so popular?

32
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Why is...
what's the draw here?

33
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Everybody loves animals.

34
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Everybody loves costumes.

35
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We are all about creativity.

36
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We are all about imagination.
We are all about dreaming.

37
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This weekend is our chance

38
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to say to the people
of Pittsburgh,

39
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we want to share
our dreams with you.

40
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If somebody comes up and wants
to know what it's about,

41
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tell 'em what it's about.

42
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Cartoon animals, costumes.

43
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Drawing, art, performance.

44
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Creativity, dreaming.

45
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Every single one of you
in here is a creative.

46
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Every one of you is an artist.

47
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We are all dreamers here.

48
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This is a remarkable family,

49
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a unique community.

50
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There is so much
it has to offer,

51
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so many beautiful things.

52
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Don't describe us
by what we are not.

53
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Use positive imagery.

54
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Don't act like
you have something to hide,

55
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('cause quite frankly, I don't
think we have anything Tc) Hide.

56
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This is a magnificent we,

57
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and to me, there is nothing
at all to be ashamed of.

58
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Do you cover

59
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just what furries do
that's furry

60
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that people don't see
in the background?

61
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Or what if they're into,
like, sports cars,

62
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or you know,
fast cars or whatever...

63
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what other activities...
like, anything?

64
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Or are you trying to keep it mainly
to the fur scene, do you think?

65
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We're trying to go beyond
the scene as well,

66
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because it's
portraits of people,

67
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ultimately,
it's more about even people

68
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than it is about furries,
'cause we're all just people,

69
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just from different backgrounds,
into different stuff, so-

70
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definitely, any tangents
that goes on is where we go.

71
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I have called myself a furry,

72
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but I never really understood it

73
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until I was about 17 years old.

74
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I went to work as a mascot

75
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for a single-a baseball team,

76
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surprisingly, as a raccoon.

77
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And the first time I got in
that suit and that mascot

78
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was just completely surreal.

79
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I mean, Will was gone.
I mean, he was gone.

80
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I didn't know
who he was anymore,

81
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and I was performing
in this character,

82
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and I just felt nobody could
see me, nobody knew who I was,

83
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so I could be
as energetic, as happy,

84
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as crazy as I could be,
and people loved it.

85
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And after that
first time I did it,

86
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I really felt,
it's like-

87
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this is what it feels like.

88
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This one, as you can see,
is totally different.

89
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And it's different because it's
made by a different suit-maker.

90
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Any suit-maker has
their own different style,

91
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this was specifically
was made by Cody.

92
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He kind of has more of a cartoony
kind of look, more energetic look,

93
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and that's what
I wanted to go for

94
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and why I commissioned him
to make Diezel 2.0.

95
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I try to be
as creative as I can,

96
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and a lot of people come up to
me every time and say to me,

97
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"man, there's not
many raccoons in the fandom.

98
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Your suit is, like,
the best one I've ever seen."

99
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And of course, I'm just like,

100
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"stop, come on.
You're making me blush."

101
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Of course, I am blushing
inside when they say that.

102
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But, you know,
and I try to add-

103
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you know, like,
I squeak-talk a lot,

104
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and that's one thing
a lot of people view me for.

105
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It's all of...
it's kind of like a brand,

106
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really, is what it is.

107
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Everybody tries to find
their own unique style

108
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on what they do.

109
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They try to bring it to life,

110
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and that's what people
can get to know you for.

111
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You know, they'll hear me
squeak-talking,

112
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but they'll be out of view,
and they're like,

113
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"oh, my god, I hear Diezel. Is
he here?"

114
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And sure enough, it's me.

115
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Everybody has a unique story.

116
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The more and more
you get involved,

117
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you'll see that it is so easy
to get to meet people,

118
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who they are specifically,

119
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and how...
who's behind that character.

120
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I mean, who's behind
that fursona

121
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or that pursuit,
if they have one.

122
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All right.

123
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DOM, if you will...

124
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This little part ends up being on
the inside when you flip it over.

125
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When I first started,
very few people had a suit.

126
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Only if you had tons of money
did you have one,

127
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and only if you were really
hardcore furry did you have one.

128
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It's almost a rite of passage,
if you will,

129
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for people to get a suit,

130
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'cause it really lets them
put on their persona,

131
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live it, and do what
they wanna do,

132
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and see themselves
how they wanna be seen.

133
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Because I wanted to be able
to hear some stuff,

134
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that's why the other one
is not floppy,

135
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but it means a lot to me

136
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to be able to even do this,

137
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and to be able to walk around

138
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and be something different,

139
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and something that
I wanted to do.

140
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So, it's important that I'm
even able to do this for you,

141
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and show you
my floppy ear of cuteness.

142
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Have you ever
come out here in these woods,

143
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like, with your pursuit before?

144
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This is a first.

145
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I've been in the woods,
but not these woods.

146
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This Will be interesting.

147
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They said that
there was hunters around,

148
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to be honest, I've gotta say,

149
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they're probably not gonna
shoot a six-foot tall fox,

150
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but you never know.

151
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It may be a short season.

152
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Maybe they need a trophy.

153
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And, come on, this is a trophy.

154
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Oh, my back.

155
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I would say that I'm very rare.

156
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I'm not the norm.

157
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Yeah, you do see a lot of guys,

158
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and a lot of times,
when I say I'm a mother,

159
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people are like,
"whoa, really?',"

160
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like it's taboo or something
to be a mother,

161
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and I don't think
that's the case at all.

162
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I think it's really
awesome to have kids.

163
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I think it's really awesome

164
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to have kids exposed
to furry fandom.

165
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It's just a great experience
for them, too.

166
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All right, there you go.

167
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You guys
have a lot of fun, okay?

168
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I don't think it'll
be confusing for her at all,

169
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I actually think
it's something that she might

170
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actually be interested in
when she's older.

171
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I've already seen her...
she likes animals a lot.

172
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She likes to wear Halloween
costumes that are animals.

173
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And that's just so cool

174
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to have that experience
with her, too,

175
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and see her grow up like that.

176
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My fursona is basically
to memorialize my dog.

177
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He was bouncy and fun
and loving.

178
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And I guess whenever
I'm wearing bandit,

179
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I'm a little him.

180
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I could say
it's opposite my life,

181
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because I'm a pretty
laid back guy out of suit.

182
00:10:04,896 --> 00:10:09,743
And I get in suit
and I get party-fun,

183
00:10:10,026 --> 00:10:13,371
if that's a word.

184
00:10:20,537 --> 00:10:23,040
This guy down here
cutting a tree down.

185
00:10:29,420 --> 00:10:30,672
You said your neighbors...

186
00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:32,500
what were you saying
about your neighbors,

187
00:10:32,507 --> 00:10:33,747
that they knew about your suit?

188
00:10:33,967 --> 00:10:35,969
Oh, my next door neighbors,

189
00:10:36,261 --> 00:10:37,387
they knew about the suit,

190
00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,057
and their grandchildren
were over one day.

191
00:10:40,348 --> 00:10:43,022
I put bandit on
and I walked over,

192
00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:45,687
and they just loved it.

193
00:10:45,979 --> 00:10:49,028
What's the color that's
underneath there on the arms?

194
00:10:49,315 --> 00:10:51,363
- What?
- You have the color on the arms.

195
00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:54,780
Oh, that's the rainbow flag.

196
00:10:55,071 --> 00:10:58,200
If I turn my arms up...

197
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It's in the correct order.

198
00:11:01,536 --> 00:11:03,538
Red, orange, yellow,
green, blue, purple.

199
00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:11,550
It angers me when I
find people that say,

200
00:11:11,838 --> 00:11:14,091
"oh, all you do
is dress up in those suits,"

201
00:11:14,382 --> 00:11:16,851
and party and carry on

202
00:11:17,135 --> 00:11:19,763
and have sex in them suits,"
and all that.

203
00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:26,528
If you've ever
had vigorous sex naked,

204
00:11:26,811 --> 00:11:28,438
you know how much you sweat.

205
00:11:28,730 --> 00:11:31,404
Can you imagine doing that
in a full pursuit?

206
00:11:31,691 --> 00:11:33,659
You would die.

207
00:11:33,943 --> 00:11:37,664
It can quickly get over
100 degrees inside the head.

208
00:11:37,947 --> 00:11:42,623
So, no, that's...
that's a false statement

209
00:11:42,911 --> 00:11:46,165
to even think
that that's all it does.

210
00:11:46,456 --> 00:11:49,881
Yes, there's sex
that happens in the fandom.

211
00:11:50,168 --> 00:11:52,341
I remember
when I was in my twenties-

212
00:11:52,629 --> 00:11:54,723
okay.

213
00:11:55,006 --> 00:11:58,977
But, uh, sex...

214
00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:04,608
the fursona fandom thing
is, um...

215
00:12:06,351 --> 00:12:09,230
I think it's about
helping other people

216
00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,022
to put a smile on people's face,

217
00:12:11,314 --> 00:12:13,316
and let them,
even for a few minutes,

218
00:12:13,608 --> 00:12:16,487
forget about the real world
and all the troubles.

219
00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:21,582
<i>J” we don't even have to try I</i>

220
00:12:21,866 --> 00:12:23,334
♪ it's always a good time ♪

221
00:12:23,618 --> 00:12:27,464
♪ Whoa, oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh ♪

222
00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,920
♪ Whoa, oh, oh,
it's always a good time I

223
00:12:30,208 --> 00:12:31,786
A lot of furry conventions
have dance competitions

224
00:12:31,793 --> 00:12:33,795
'cause there's
a big dancer community

225
00:12:34,087 --> 00:12:35,885
in the furry fandom.

226
00:12:36,172 --> 00:12:38,641
It's different than I would say,
like, a normal competition.

227
00:12:38,925 --> 00:12:41,553
Because here
no one cares who wins.

228
00:12:41,844 --> 00:12:43,437
Everyone supports everyone

229
00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:46,190
and it's just a big family,
which is what I love.

230
00:12:46,474 --> 00:12:48,074
And a lot of times,
I know that I've gone

231
00:12:48,101 --> 00:12:49,603
to meet people at a convention

232
00:12:49,894 --> 00:12:51,305
and then we'll all just
go to lunch together

233
00:12:51,312 --> 00:12:53,064
after meeting each other
for 10 minutes,

234
00:12:53,356 --> 00:12:55,324
and that's how you make friends.

235
00:13:01,030 --> 00:13:02,270
J” do our thing, do our thing I

236
00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:08,296
J” and the wonder girls
are back ♪

237
00:13:19,382 --> 00:13:20,884
♪ Watching ♪

238
00:13:21,175 --> 00:13:23,644
J” 'cause you've got me
patiently waiting j”

239
00:13:23,928 --> 00:13:25,601
<i>j” I think you're amazing,
baby I</i>

240
00:13:25,888 --> 00:13:28,266
♪ it's okay,
you're worth the wait I

241
00:13:28,558 --> 00:13:31,232
♪ but I just can't no more ♪

242
00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:35,069
J” dreaming of you every night,
and I'm praying ♪

243
00:13:35,356 --> 00:13:36,699
♪ Will you hold me tight ♪

244
00:13:36,983 --> 00:13:40,032
J” and just wrap those arms
around me, boy? ♪

245
00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,494
J” I really wanna feel
you in my soul j”

246
00:13:43,781 --> 00:13:45,408
<i>I never really
told anyone about it,</i>

247
00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:47,668
it was just kind of
something I did.

248
00:13:47,952 --> 00:13:50,796
But then my friend
discovered it by himself,

249
00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,923
and then, he, like...

250
00:13:53,207 --> 00:13:54,550
he kept saying all these things,

251
00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:57,087
mentioning fursuits
and anthrocon and stuff.

252
00:13:57,378 --> 00:13:58,658
His name is Jake,
and I was like,

253
00:13:58,796 --> 00:13:59,843
"Jake, are you a furry?"

254
00:14:00,131 --> 00:14:02,099
And he was like,
"I don't think so."

255
00:14:02,383 --> 00:14:04,932
And I was like, "you talk about
fur suits and blah, blah, blah."

256
00:14:05,219 --> 00:14:06,505
And he was like,
"well, maybe I am."

257
00:14:06,512 --> 00:14:07,764
And I was like,
"I am, too!"

258
00:14:08,056 --> 00:14:09,603
So, that was kind of cool.

259
00:14:26,741 --> 00:14:27,958
Boomer the dog

260
00:14:28,242 --> 00:14:30,586
out in the middle
of the woods right now.

261
00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:32,713
And he can hear
the wind in the trees

262
00:14:32,997 --> 00:14:35,671
on a nice fall day,
the day before Halloween.

263
00:14:38,086 --> 00:14:42,091
And I just got back yesterday

264
00:14:42,382 --> 00:14:44,134
from the final sections
of the appeal,

265
00:14:44,425 --> 00:14:47,804
getting it into the court.

266
00:14:48,096 --> 00:14:49,643
So, hopefully,
we're gonna do well,

267
00:14:49,931 --> 00:14:51,774
and the judges are gonna
have to get back to me

268
00:14:52,058 --> 00:14:56,939
on whether I can get the name
"boomer the dog" or not.

269
00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:59,198
So, we'll see.
I mean, it is my name.

270
00:15:02,193 --> 00:15:05,572
It's always been my name,
for many years.

271
00:15:05,863 --> 00:15:09,037
And I believe in the spirit

272
00:15:09,325 --> 00:15:11,453
of what "here's boomer"
was all about-

273
00:15:11,744 --> 00:15:13,792
you know, the TV show.

274
00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,378
I mean, I love that show.

275
00:15:16,666 --> 00:15:19,010
See, I didn't see every
episode of "here's boomer,"

276
00:15:19,293 --> 00:15:22,263
but the show went off the air,

277
00:15:22,547 --> 00:15:26,222
and then after that,
I kind of was-I was sad,

278
00:15:26,509 --> 00:15:27,709
because I really liked the dog

279
00:15:27,969 --> 00:15:30,597
and I liked the show.

280
00:15:30,888 --> 00:15:33,858
And I thought, well...

281
00:15:34,142 --> 00:15:35,519
What am I gonna do?

282
00:15:35,810 --> 00:15:38,563
How do I keep this spirit alive?

283
00:15:38,855 --> 00:15:40,232
Because it's so good to me,

284
00:15:40,523 --> 00:15:43,447
just at this right time
in my life.

285
00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:46,408
How do I keep this going?

286
00:15:54,036 --> 00:15:57,836
Okay, and here's...
this is how I do it.

287
00:15:58,124 --> 00:15:59,467
And I always have a shirt on.

288
00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:01,252
And a lot of furries-

289
00:16:01,544 --> 00:16:04,343
a lot of costumers will
work with a shirt on

290
00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:06,473
'cause it absorbs sweat,

291
00:16:06,757 --> 00:16:08,680
so it doesn't actually go
into their costume.

292
00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:10,891
I mean, there are a lot
of manufacturing methods.

293
00:16:11,179 --> 00:16:13,728
I just have the benefit of
clothes, and that's it.

294
00:16:14,015 --> 00:16:16,894
So, I just use this
as a covering,

295
00:16:17,185 --> 00:16:19,279
and sometimes
you'll have fine satin

296
00:16:19,562 --> 00:16:21,235
or mesh under a lot of costumes.

297
00:16:21,522 --> 00:16:23,069
But I just did it cheap,

298
00:16:23,357 --> 00:16:27,157
like, seven dollars
to make the whole thing,

299
00:16:27,445 --> 00:16:28,662
and all of that was for paper,

300
00:16:28,946 --> 00:16:32,041
'cause I just used
old clothes that I had.

301
00:16:32,325 --> 00:16:34,544
So, there's my paw shoes.

302
00:16:34,827 --> 00:16:37,250
I mean, I think
for a lot of furs,

303
00:16:37,538 --> 00:16:39,961
it's a weekend
release sort of thing,

304
00:16:40,249 --> 00:16:42,343
and then others,
it's a lifestyle

305
00:16:42,627 --> 00:16:44,800
where you have it
around you all the time,

306
00:16:45,087 --> 00:16:46,680
and kind of think in that mode.

307
00:16:46,964 --> 00:16:49,513
'Cause I like to
think like I'm a dog,

308
00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,393
and I'm looking out at the world

309
00:16:51,677 --> 00:16:55,352
with canine-type eyes
and seeing things that way.

310
00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,360
I could change my name,
but it's pretty wild

311
00:16:57,642 --> 00:16:59,895
to change my name to "boomer,"
or "boomer the dog."

312
00:17:00,186 --> 00:17:02,564
How could I go
through this process?

313
00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:04,949
I went down to the courthouse,

314
00:17:05,233 --> 00:17:07,656
got the paperwork,

315
00:17:07,944 --> 00:17:09,321
filled it out,
and got-

316
00:17:09,612 --> 00:17:12,707
they had to do fingerprints
and get those taken.

317
00:17:12,990 --> 00:17:15,709
And then I submitted,

318
00:17:15,993 --> 00:17:17,336
and I went to court,

319
00:17:17,620 --> 00:17:18,872
and I lost my case.

320
00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:20,415
And then also he said,

321
00:17:20,706 --> 00:17:23,334
"even though the petitioner"

322
00:17:23,626 --> 00:17:25,503
may wish it were otherwise,

323
00:17:25,795 --> 00:17:27,889
"the petitioner
is not a dog."

324
00:17:28,172 --> 00:17:32,018
That was the final words
in that document.

325
00:17:34,262 --> 00:17:38,187
My friend actually
told me about the people,

326
00:17:38,474 --> 00:17:40,772
you know, that there were
furry people on the computer.

327
00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:43,939
(And they said they're into
the kind of drawings you DC)

328
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:45,652
And stuff like that.

329
00:17:45,940 --> 00:17:48,318
And he says, "but I think
they're mostly foxes."

330
00:17:48,609 --> 00:17:50,361
But they weren't actually,
you know?

331
00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:51,950
And I was like,

332
00:17:52,238 --> 00:17:54,036
"wow, I have to get
the Internet right away."

333
00:18:10,673 --> 00:18:12,175
So, then I found them,
and I was like,

334
00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:14,764
"wow, there's other people
like me-— others like me."

335
00:18:19,557 --> 00:18:20,917
You shouldn't
be asking who we are.

336
00:18:21,058 --> 00:18:23,356
You should ask who we were.

337
00:18:23,644 --> 00:18:27,444
We... we...
we were the fat kid.

338
00:18:27,732 --> 00:18:29,860
We were the brainy kid.

339
00:18:30,151 --> 00:18:31,323
We were the bookish kid,

340
00:18:31,611 --> 00:18:33,291
we were the kid with
the big thick glasses.

341
00:18:33,446 --> 00:18:36,416
We were the kid concerned
about his sexual identity.

342
00:18:36,699 --> 00:18:38,499
We were the kid who
couldn't throw a baseball.

343
00:18:38,576 --> 00:18:40,624
We were the kid,
who for whatever reason,

344
00:18:40,911 --> 00:18:44,381
all the other kids said,
"you don't belong with us."

345
00:18:44,665 --> 00:18:49,171
Now, human beings as social
animals, crave companionship.

346
00:18:49,462 --> 00:18:51,681
And denied companionship
by our peers,

347
00:18:51,964 --> 00:18:54,433
we sought it out the next
best place we could find it.

348
00:18:54,717 --> 00:18:56,890
Some of us look to the stars,

349
00:18:57,178 --> 00:19:00,773
others to the far past
of human history.

350
00:19:01,057 --> 00:19:04,607
We looked to the happy, smiling,

351
00:19:04,894 --> 00:19:09,616
accepting faces that we saw
on Saturday morning cartoons.

352
00:19:09,899 --> 00:19:13,278
Now, to answer your question,
"who are we?"

353
00:19:13,569 --> 00:19:18,450
We are adults who never
forgot our old friends.

354
00:19:29,877 --> 00:19:33,256
Hello, everybody.
I am Diezel raccoon,

355
00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:36,050
here at McDonald's
across the street

356
00:19:36,342 --> 00:19:38,015
from one of the best
ever conventions-

357
00:19:38,302 --> 00:19:39,849
furry connection north.

358
00:19:40,137 --> 00:19:42,390
Uh, I'm partially drunk, I know.

359
00:19:42,682 --> 00:19:45,777
I don't know about the public
intoxication laws here,

360
00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:48,279
whatever the fuck
you wanna call it.

361
00:19:48,562 --> 00:19:50,564
I can say that
furry connection north 2013

362
00:19:50,856 --> 00:19:53,234
Will be my last convention
for a little while.

363
00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:57,497
(I had Tc) Make some life
changes with my career.

364
00:19:57,780 --> 00:19:59,908
I'm going to a different
shift, different job.

365
00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:02,076
It was for the best.

366
00:20:02,368 --> 00:20:03,745
My life comes first.

367
00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:05,709
Furry does come second.

368
00:20:05,996 --> 00:20:09,045
So, I mean, I won't
be doing a con every month.

369
00:20:09,333 --> 00:20:11,131
I'll be doing one
every so often.

370
00:20:11,419 --> 00:20:12,887
I'm gonna try as hard as I can

371
00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:14,638
to attend as many as I can,

372
00:20:14,922 --> 00:20:18,677
because all of you out there
are my friends...

373
00:20:18,968 --> 00:20:21,721
the people
that see these videos,

374
00:20:22,012 --> 00:20:26,688
uh, my friends
that watch the videos,

375
00:20:26,976 --> 00:20:28,102
just everybody.

376
00:20:28,394 --> 00:20:30,237
You all are big family to me,

377
00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:32,865
and that's why I go
to conventions.

378
00:20:33,149 --> 00:20:35,402
<i>How can I
move back in with those people?</i>

379
00:20:35,693 --> 00:20:36,740
Please, tell me.

380
00:20:37,027 --> 00:20:38,950
They're insane.
You know that.

381
00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:42,162
[Jerry Seinfeld on I TV hey, my parents
are just as crazy as your parents.

382
00:20:50,207 --> 00:20:52,209
This is what I think
people perceive it as.

383
00:20:52,501 --> 00:20:54,720
They perceive it as...

384
00:20:55,004 --> 00:20:56,347
some folks may perceive it as,

385
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:58,553
"this is how they live it
day to day,"

386
00:20:58,841 --> 00:21:00,343
yeah, I come in my house,

387
00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:01,851
I put my fursuit head on,

388
00:21:02,136 --> 00:21:04,639
and I literally live
this way all my life.

389
00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:06,728
I go over here and make dinner

390
00:21:07,016 --> 00:21:08,768
on my 400-degree stove,

391
00:21:09,059 --> 00:21:10,732
I mop the floors,

392
00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:14,274
I clean the refrigerator...
all with this on.

393
00:21:14,565 --> 00:21:16,533
My ass.

394
00:21:22,198 --> 00:21:24,576
Remember how mommy
wears this sometimes?

395
00:21:24,867 --> 00:21:26,369
You like when mommy
wears her, huh?

396
00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:30,710
'Cause you can play with her?

397
00:21:34,001 --> 00:21:37,596
Um, is mommy going to wear this?

398
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,598
Yep.

399
00:21:39,882 --> 00:21:40,804
It's a lot of fun, huh?

400
00:21:41,091 --> 00:21:42,171
Do you wanna wear it again?

401
00:21:42,259 --> 00:21:44,182
- Yeah.
- Okay.

402
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:45,596
Here.

403
00:21:53,395 --> 00:21:55,238
It's hard, isn't it?

404
00:21:57,817 --> 00:22:00,411
- Can you see?
- Mm-hmm.

405
00:22:00,694 --> 00:22:03,823
Okay. It's tough to see
through that, isn't it?

406
00:22:06,408 --> 00:22:08,410
Ah!

407
00:22:08,702 --> 00:22:09,624
Hey!

408
00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:12,627
Hey!

409
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,017
You know,
I've been married before.

410
00:22:31,308 --> 00:22:33,310
My ex-husband
was not a furry,

411
00:22:33,602 --> 00:22:39,450
and that kind of made things
really hard sometimes

412
00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:42,031
because he just didn't
get the fandom at all

413
00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:43,662
and I was really into it.

414
00:22:43,946 --> 00:22:46,449
And, you know,
he just-

415
00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:48,020
I think that's
part of the reason

416
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,918
why we ended up
separating-

417
00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:51,545
part of the big reason why.

418
00:22:51,829 --> 00:22:54,048
Um, and, you know,

419
00:22:54,331 --> 00:22:55,958
I think that
I would still love Ryan

420
00:22:56,250 --> 00:22:58,594
if he weren't a furry,

421
00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:01,097
but because he is, it
just makes the experience

422
00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:05,476
so much better for both of us.

423
00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:07,056
I saw her for the first time,

424
00:23:07,344 --> 00:23:09,024
and she was this, tiny,
little, unimposing,

425
00:23:09,179 --> 00:23:10,681
cute, you know...

426
00:23:10,973 --> 00:23:12,520
she almost looked like
the human form

427
00:23:12,808 --> 00:23:13,808
of a plushy or something.

428
00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:15,253
I just wanted to hug her,
you know?

429
00:23:15,311 --> 00:23:16,911
And she came up to me
and she did hug me,

430
00:23:17,021 --> 00:23:18,022
and it was just...

431
00:23:18,314 --> 00:23:19,634
she was so forward
and so natural,

432
00:23:19,815 --> 00:23:21,988
and it really did
just feel right.

433
00:23:22,276 --> 00:23:23,823
- Porcupine.
- Porcupine.

434
00:23:24,111 --> 00:23:25,829
Porcupines sleeping

435
00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:27,911
Porcupines sleeping.

436
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:31,707
I love how she makes
the little noises

437
00:23:31,994 --> 00:23:33,371
like we do with the animals.

438
00:23:33,662 --> 00:23:35,585
Here.

439
00:23:35,873 --> 00:23:37,500
Here. Don't...

440
00:23:37,791 --> 00:23:39,543
don't let them jump on you.

441
00:23:44,131 --> 00:23:45,553
Part of my family is native,

442
00:23:45,841 --> 00:23:48,310
and in our culture,

443
00:23:48,594 --> 00:23:49,720
there are spirit animals...

444
00:23:50,012 --> 00:23:53,061
having phantom ears,
phantom tail, you know?

445
00:23:53,349 --> 00:23:55,852
Having dreams about being feral,

446
00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:58,237
having dreams about, you know,

447
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,057
just romping through the
woods, kind of thing,

448
00:24:00,064 --> 00:24:03,568
and I've definitely
always felt that way.

449
00:24:03,859 --> 00:24:06,578
Even when I was a young
child, I felt that way.

450
00:24:06,862 --> 00:24:08,739
I mean, we have a friend who,

451
00:24:09,031 --> 00:24:12,205
um, you know,
he wants to be an elf.

452
00:24:12,493 --> 00:24:14,245
Like, literally,
that's his life,

453
00:24:14,536 --> 00:24:17,961
and he wears elf ears
all the time.

454
00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:20,744
He wore prosthetic ears to a session
of congress, I think it was?

455
00:24:20,751 --> 00:24:23,095
Yeah, I mean, that's just,

456
00:24:23,379 --> 00:24:26,553
and we're all like,
more power to you.

457
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,683
- It's great.
- If you want to do that-

458
00:24:28,968 --> 00:24:31,096
he's one of
the greatest guys we know.

459
00:24:31,387 --> 00:24:33,230
He's just, you know, wonderful,

460
00:24:33,514 --> 00:24:35,187
and he really thinks
he should be an elf.

461
00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:36,566
Yeah, and it's good,

462
00:24:36,850 --> 00:24:38,261
because people like that
often are so nice,

463
00:24:38,268 --> 00:24:39,986
because they're
they're true to themselves.

464
00:24:40,270 --> 00:24:42,443
- You have to be true to yourself.
- Yeah, absolutely.

465
00:24:42,731 --> 00:24:45,359
It's hard, the way we're primed
to interact with society,

466
00:24:45,651 --> 00:24:46,994
and, like I said,
filter yourself

467
00:24:47,277 --> 00:24:50,372
it's beaten into you
from almost the time

468
00:24:50,656 --> 00:24:53,375
you're aware
of your surroundings.

469
00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:55,582
It looks like
a house in Greentree.

470
00:24:55,869 --> 00:24:57,917
But it's actually
a radio station.

471
00:24:58,205 --> 00:25:01,880
And you might confuse this for
some kite string caught in a tree,

472
00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:04,261
but it's really an antenna
leading from the house

473
00:25:04,545 --> 00:25:06,764
specially elevated
for signal strength.

474
00:25:07,047 --> 00:25:09,501
Did you climb that tree in order
to get it all the way up there?

475
00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:12,853
Nope, just took a bow and
arrow and shot it up.

476
00:25:13,137 --> 00:25:14,229
And this gentleman,

477
00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:16,936
he's 22-year-old
Gary Mathews,

478
00:25:17,224 --> 00:25:18,897
vice president
and general manager

479
00:25:19,184 --> 00:25:22,108
of radio station WKND,

480
00:25:22,396 --> 00:25:25,900
a small pirate station
Gary put on the air himself.

481
00:25:26,191 --> 00:25:29,411
<i>N</i>

482
00:25:29,695 --> 00:25:30,912
Funkadelic...

483
00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:35,576
Right here at 1620 WKND.

484
00:25:35,868 --> 00:25:37,370
You know,
I'm just a radio freak...

485
00:25:37,661 --> 00:25:38,833
a radio animal.

486
00:25:39,121 --> 00:25:40,561
That's what my name
says right there.

487
00:25:40,831 --> 00:25:42,833
<i>N</i>

488
00:25:43,125 --> 00:25:44,627
yeah, I'm not gonna
start barking yet,

489
00:25:44,918 --> 00:25:46,716
but since it's close.

490
00:25:47,004 --> 00:25:50,224
All right, let me see
the listeners are doing.

491
00:25:50,507 --> 00:25:51,850
Check my stats.

492
00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:55,851
There's six people
already listening.

493
00:25:58,098 --> 00:26:00,647
<i>♪ Testing 1, 2, 3 ♪</i>

494
00:26:00,934 --> 00:26:02,732
This is just a loop.

495
00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:04,772
And it goes...
repeats over and over,

496
00:26:05,064 --> 00:26:07,317
and it kinda builds tension
or suspense maybe.

497
00:26:07,608 --> 00:26:10,612
<i>♪ Testing 1, 2, 3 ♪</i>

498
00:26:10,903 --> 00:26:12,871
This is
the Barenaked ladies-

499
00:26:13,155 --> 00:26:14,077
beginning of the song,

500
00:26:14,364 --> 00:26:16,082
I think it's
"testing 1, 2, 3."

501
00:26:16,366 --> 00:26:17,663
<i>♪ Testing 1, 2, 3 ♪</i>

502
00:26:17,951 --> 00:26:19,203
And it just repeats.

503
00:26:19,495 --> 00:26:22,749
Other stations don't do
stuff like this,

504
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,384
so we do it.

505
00:26:25,667 --> 00:26:28,511
I just played music
and I barked on the air,

506
00:26:28,796 --> 00:26:30,093
and I was a dog.

507
00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:32,633
And this was at a time
when I was having trouble

508
00:26:32,925 --> 00:26:35,929
with a lot of people
in my life about being a dog,

509
00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:38,700
because it was like-it was
interfering with things supposedly,

510
00:26:38,931 --> 00:26:40,774
and getting a career.

511
00:26:41,058 --> 00:26:43,026
That was a really strong
push at that time

512
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:45,187
by everybody around me,

513
00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:47,481
so, I felt since
they were saying,

514
00:26:47,773 --> 00:26:49,491
"you can't.
You just can't be a dog."

515
00:26:49,775 --> 00:26:51,948
They would tell me all the time

516
00:26:52,236 --> 00:26:53,829
"dogs don't go to jobs,"

517
00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:58,664
or "you're hardcore
unemployable like this."

518
00:26:58,951 --> 00:27:00,794
I was trying to do it,

519
00:27:01,078 --> 00:27:03,080
and I was, you know,
being pushed back,

520
00:27:03,372 --> 00:27:06,125
and one of the places
I could actually go

521
00:27:06,416 --> 00:27:10,011
and be a dog and let it out
was on the radio.

522
00:27:12,464 --> 00:27:16,719
My mom signed it with
a "G" name back then-

523
00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:18,478
1982.

524
00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:22,608
And then we go way back
to me as a young pup.

525
00:27:22,891 --> 00:27:24,011
And I don't know what I have

526
00:27:24,226 --> 00:27:26,274
that I'm holding and showing,

527
00:27:26,562 --> 00:27:28,564
but that's me as a young pup

528
00:27:28,856 --> 00:27:30,950
in 1968, November.

529
00:27:31,233 --> 00:27:35,409
I was about three years
old right there.

530
00:27:35,696 --> 00:27:37,243
This one...

531
00:27:37,531 --> 00:27:40,535
this has where my mom
signed the back of the picture

532
00:27:40,826 --> 00:27:42,169
on her own free will...

533
00:27:42,452 --> 00:27:44,329
she signed it "boomer."

534
00:27:44,621 --> 00:27:46,965
That's 1998 there.

535
00:27:47,249 --> 00:27:50,002
I did have my family here,

536
00:27:50,294 --> 00:27:54,174
and I lived with my family
till I was almost 40 years old.

537
00:27:54,464 --> 00:27:56,341
A family is like giving...

538
00:27:56,633 --> 00:27:59,978
or having a mate is like giving

539
00:28:00,262 --> 00:28:03,061
yourself to one person,
more or less.

540
00:28:03,348 --> 00:28:05,191
That part of you

541
00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:09,070
is wrapped up
in your love for your mate.

542
00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:11,857
And I feel like I'd like
to give the friendship

543
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:16,370
out to a wider group,
people who'll-

544
00:28:16,653 --> 00:28:18,371
make them happy by being a dog,

545
00:28:18,655 --> 00:28:21,124
showing them that you can have
a different lifestyle,

546
00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,911
and a different outlook,
and things like that.

547
00:28:24,203 --> 00:28:25,204
So, I'm kind of in a role

548
00:28:25,495 --> 00:28:26,792
of maybe putting that out there,

549
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,503
teaching that it's possible.

550
00:28:29,791 --> 00:28:31,919
I kind of think
that's my role in life,

551
00:28:32,211 --> 00:28:35,841
rather than just
making one person happy

552
00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:37,599
or a small group.

553
00:28:37,883 --> 00:28:39,806
I'd like to spread it around.

554
00:28:45,015 --> 00:28:46,858
I made the mistake
of talking about it

555
00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:50,692
in my old facility I came from.

556
00:28:50,979 --> 00:28:54,609
It started off by...

557
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:56,311
Kind of introducing it
to my managers.

558
00:28:56,318 --> 00:28:57,896
They would always ask,
"where do you go every month?

559
00:28:57,903 --> 00:28:58,904
What do you do?"

560
00:28:59,196 --> 00:29:01,164
And I had a good
relationship with them

561
00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:02,825
and they didn't harass me

562
00:29:03,116 --> 00:29:06,245
or gang up on me in any way.

563
00:29:06,536 --> 00:29:08,323
They actually were kind of
intrigued by it a little bit.

564
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:10,048
They kind of tossed
jokes around.

565
00:29:10,332 --> 00:29:11,834
They say jokes like,

566
00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:14,005
"why don't you become
a porcupine or something?"

567
00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:16,004
I don't want to.
A raccoon is like-

568
00:29:16,296 --> 00:29:17,616
"well, a porcupine
would be funny.

569
00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:19,307
You'd be the first one"
I'm like, no.

570
00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:21,935
So, then I thought to myself,

571
00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:24,938
maybe I'll share it with a
couple (lo-workers that I trust.

572
00:29:25,222 --> 00:29:29,352
But understand that
in the work environment,

573
00:29:29,643 --> 00:29:32,271
don't place too much
trust in people,

574
00:29:32,562 --> 00:29:34,682
even the people that you think
you can trust the most,

575
00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:36,483
because eventually
people do talk.

576
00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:41,656
Something you don't want
to be let out or told?

577
00:29:41,947 --> 00:29:43,915
Don't say anything at all.

578
00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:45,746
Well, I did,

579
00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:50,380
and it got out to some
of the wrong folks.

580
00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:52,144
They started looking
at things online,

581
00:29:52,374 --> 00:29:54,092
searching the name,

582
00:29:54,376 --> 00:29:56,595
finding stuff, finding artwork,

583
00:29:56,878 --> 00:30:00,007
um, finding journals.

584
00:30:00,299 --> 00:30:02,848
Um, eventually got
to the point where

585
00:30:03,135 --> 00:30:04,055
comments would be said.

586
00:30:04,177 --> 00:30:05,850
I kinda rolled it off.

587
00:30:06,138 --> 00:30:07,685
Things would be written about me

588
00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:10,692
on the bathroom stalls
and in these freight elevators

589
00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:13,104
on the walls there
in permanent marker.

590
00:30:13,395 --> 00:30:16,490
Um, so, it wasn't
a fun experience.

591
00:30:16,773 --> 00:30:19,367
So the simple answer of how I keep
it separate from my work life

592
00:30:19,651 --> 00:30:22,200
is I don't talk about it.

593
00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:24,114
I think it goes to show

594
00:30:24,406 --> 00:30:28,001
that people really
aren't ready for that stuff.

595
00:30:28,285 --> 00:30:31,380
The fandom, as you can see,
if very accepting.

596
00:30:31,663 --> 00:30:35,634
People in general,

597
00:30:35,917 --> 00:30:38,511
they accept what they think
is the norm.

598
00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:42,095
What is the norm?
I don't know what it is.

599
00:30:44,301 --> 00:30:45,928
Not really my place to say.

600
00:30:46,219 --> 00:30:49,018
What feels normal to me
may not be normal to you.

601
00:30:55,812 --> 00:30:57,906
We're just
trying to get together

602
00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:00,909
and let our hair down and have
some fun for the weekend.

603
00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:04,538
We're not doing it to be
entertainment fodder for you.

604
00:31:04,821 --> 00:31:06,164
That's not what we're here for.

605
00:31:06,448 --> 00:31:10,203
These people don't want
to have to hide in their rooms

606
00:31:10,494 --> 00:31:12,292
because you're going
to destroy their lives.

607
00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:16,842
See, and that's
the kind of thing,

608
00:31:17,125 --> 00:31:19,753
not everybody gets
to break the barrier either.

609
00:31:20,045 --> 00:31:23,390
Maybe it's their approach
or something.

610
00:31:23,673 --> 00:31:27,223
I mean, you guys seem
to understand what it's about

611
00:31:27,511 --> 00:31:31,391
and why furries would want
to be private and public.

612
00:31:31,681 --> 00:31:33,399
And I'm glad you did this study

613
00:31:33,683 --> 00:31:36,812
because sometimes producers
come on strong, I think,

614
00:31:37,104 --> 00:31:38,606
to the community,

615
00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:40,991
and they've, like,
alienated people.

616
00:31:41,274 --> 00:31:42,821
And maybe it's
the wrong kind of media

617
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:44,862
or something like that,

618
00:31:45,153 --> 00:31:47,622
but you guys
have the understanding

619
00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:51,001
of what, you know,
the furry scene is like more.

620
00:31:51,284 --> 00:31:53,004
So, I think you can connect
a little better,

621
00:31:53,078 --> 00:31:54,295
and that's good.

622
00:31:54,579 --> 00:31:57,298
Yeah, I just feel like
other things about it,

623
00:31:57,582 --> 00:31:59,244
they're trying to give
you an answer for it

624
00:31:59,251 --> 00:32:01,162
and trying to make it
really simple and cut and dry

625
00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:02,872
so that way, you don't
have to think about it anymore.

626
00:32:02,879 --> 00:32:04,290
But for me it's like,
the more people you meet

627
00:32:04,297 --> 00:32:05,337
the more interesting it is

628
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:07,558
'cause there's
no one answer and stuff.

629
00:32:07,843 --> 00:32:09,561
Yeah, that's-— wow.
It's great.

630
00:32:09,845 --> 00:32:11,392
I'm really happy
about "fursonas."

631
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,229
I hope I see...
I get to see it,

632
00:32:14,516 --> 00:32:16,393
you know, in its full glory
and all that.

633
00:32:17,978 --> 00:32:19,025
Take one.

634
00:32:21,606 --> 00:32:25,236
This is a picture
of me and my friends.

635
00:32:25,527 --> 00:32:29,828
That's me and my boyfriend,
obviously.

636
00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:31,715
Someone would have
to be really accepting

637
00:32:31,741 --> 00:32:34,620
if they weren't a furry
for me to date them.

638
00:32:34,911 --> 00:32:36,231
And it's definitely
a lot more fun

639
00:32:36,329 --> 00:32:37,907
to date someone, I think,
who is a furry,

640
00:32:37,914 --> 00:32:39,576
because then you can go
to conventions together

641
00:32:39,583 --> 00:32:41,301
and do things like that.

642
00:32:41,585 --> 00:32:43,758
I don't understand
where the correlation is

643
00:32:44,045 --> 00:32:46,173
between, like, making an
animal character for yourself

644
00:32:46,465 --> 00:32:47,808
and liking men.

645
00:32:48,091 --> 00:32:49,434
I don't...
I don't understand

646
00:32:49,718 --> 00:32:51,265
where that comes from.

647
00:32:51,553 --> 00:32:54,056
People have told me that

648
00:32:54,347 --> 00:32:57,692
Tc create an animal
character for yourself,

649
00:32:57,976 --> 00:33:01,901
you have to
appreciate cuteness more

650
00:33:02,189 --> 00:33:06,740
than, I don't...
maybe, I don't know,

651
00:33:07,027 --> 00:33:10,156
more than like a blatantly
straight man would be like.

652
00:33:10,447 --> 00:33:12,495
"I'm gonna make a
little puppy character of myself."

653
00:33:12,782 --> 00:33:15,285
I don't think that would happen.

654
00:33:15,577 --> 00:33:17,500
But, I mean, I don't know.

655
00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:19,084
I think about that often.

656
00:33:19,372 --> 00:33:21,500
I don't understand
where that comes into play.

657
00:33:21,791 --> 00:33:24,510
I feel like 80%
of furries are males,

658
00:33:24,794 --> 00:33:26,888
and then 80%
of those males are gay,

659
00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:28,094
and I don't know why.

660
00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:29,542
And then the other ones are bi.

661
00:33:29,549 --> 00:33:30,669
Like, no one...
I don't know.

662
00:33:37,891 --> 00:33:39,518
Oh, you.

663
00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:41,152
<i>N</i>

664
00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:00,963
you want to know my theory

665
00:34:01,248 --> 00:34:05,503
on why there was
an uprising of furries

666
00:34:05,794 --> 00:34:07,717
through the late '90s,
early 2000s?

667
00:34:08,004 --> 00:34:08,755
Yes.

668
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:11,766
Okay, so, you were saying

669
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:13,267
there was a lot of furries

670
00:34:13,552 --> 00:34:16,351
that joined the community
around the 20005...

671
00:34:16,638 --> 00:34:18,356
late '90s, early 2000s,

672
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,565
and the reason for that
possibly stems from the fact-

673
00:34:22,852 --> 00:34:23,978
uh, two reasons.

674
00:34:24,271 --> 00:34:26,399
One is that
a Disney movie came out.

675
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:29,614
"The lion king" came out
in 1995, I believe?

676
00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:31,528
I want to say 1993.

677
00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:33,572
- 1994.
- It came out-1994.

678
00:34:33,863 --> 00:34:36,366
- Split the difference. -"The
lion king" came out in 1994.

679
00:34:38,243 --> 00:34:40,587
Ha! Pinned ya.

680
00:34:40,870 --> 00:34:42,872
And that proved to be
an extremely popular film.

681
00:34:43,164 --> 00:34:44,586
Especially in the furry world,

682
00:34:44,874 --> 00:34:47,423
that became a very popular film.

683
00:34:47,711 --> 00:34:49,179
At the turn of the millennium,

684
00:34:49,462 --> 00:34:51,590
basically you had
all these people

685
00:34:51,881 --> 00:34:53,883
who grew up knowing
these very iconic

686
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,394
Disney anthropomorphic movies

687
00:34:56,678 --> 00:34:58,680
as well as getting
very involved in the Internet.

688
00:34:58,972 --> 00:35:01,270
Yeah, and I think
world communication

689
00:35:01,558 --> 00:35:04,903
allowed the globalization
of furry.

690
00:35:05,186 --> 00:35:07,405
<i>N</i>

691
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,944
all right, if they
wanna get-

692
00:35:12,235 --> 00:35:13,828
they wanna get a fox on film

693
00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:17,116
smoking some...
smoking some ganja.

694
00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:23,546
Yeah!

695
00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:29,631
It's people in action,
if you think about it.

696
00:35:29,919 --> 00:35:32,013
Because we're part
of this fandom

697
00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:33,799
that is so accepting.

698
00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:37,219
And we accept
transsexuals and gays

699
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:41,435
and people that
can't talk to anybody else,

700
00:35:41,723 --> 00:35:43,225
and all these crazy things.

701
00:35:43,516 --> 00:35:45,644
But if you show furries
what I'm about to do,

702
00:35:45,935 --> 00:35:48,358
more than 70%
of them would be like...

703
00:35:57,864 --> 00:36:00,663
However, the ones that
we have met that do smoke

704
00:36:00,950 --> 00:36:02,827
tend to be the most accepting
out of all of 'em

705
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:05,213
and the coolest and easiest
to get along with.

706
00:36:05,497 --> 00:36:08,216
They kind of can see things
a little bit more

707
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:12,300
for the reality
rather than the spectacle.

708
00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:17,554
Whoo!

709
00:36:26,976 --> 00:36:27,818
Shit.

710
00:36:44,494 --> 00:36:46,496
♪ ♪

711
00:36:46,788 --> 00:36:49,132
I don't know
who that border collie is.

712
00:36:49,416 --> 00:36:50,884
That's a bad suit.

713
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:55,213
♪ Santa baby ♪

714
00:36:58,925 --> 00:37:01,223
♪ Light blue ♪

715
00:37:01,511 --> 00:37:04,060
♪ I'll wait up
for you, dear I

716
00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:06,475
♪ Santa baby ♪

717
00:37:06,766 --> 00:37:08,689
Right there.

718
00:37:08,977 --> 00:37:12,106
This is Garador.

719
00:37:12,397 --> 00:37:14,320
I don't know who the otter is.

720
00:37:14,607 --> 00:37:18,783
J” think of all
the fun I've missed ♪

721
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:21,619
- This is Brody. -.L” think
of all the fellas j”

722
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:24,659
♪ that I haven't kissed ♪

723
00:37:24,951 --> 00:37:27,500
His name on F.A.
Is "Wooley."

724
00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:29,664
W-o-o-l-e-y.

725
00:37:29,956 --> 00:37:35,087
♪ If you check off
my Christmas list j”

726
00:37:35,378 --> 00:37:36,095
Is there anybody

727
00:37:36,379 --> 00:37:37,623
that you think
we should talk to?

728
00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:39,177
Other suiters or furries?

729
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:46,348
I would say uncle Kage.

730
00:37:56,399 --> 00:37:58,822
Ladies and gentlemen,
my name is Sam Conway.

731
00:37:59,110 --> 00:38:00,630
I'm known in this fandom
as uncle Kage.

732
00:38:00,862 --> 00:38:02,231
I'm the chairman
of this organization.

733
00:38:02,238 --> 00:38:03,775
I want to thank
each and every one of you

734
00:38:03,782 --> 00:38:05,329
for being here tonight.

735
00:38:08,244 --> 00:38:10,793
I've got
a professional reputation

736
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,377
that I have to maintain.

737
00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:15,168
I am a well-known
public figure

738
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:17,633
in my hometown
of Malvern, Pennsylvania.

739
00:38:17,921 --> 00:38:19,173
I am a borough official,

740
00:38:19,464 --> 00:38:21,091
I am a scientist,

741
00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:23,305
I am...

742
00:38:23,593 --> 00:38:26,517
I am somebody that is
what some people would call

743
00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:28,182
a pillar of the community.

744
00:38:28,473 --> 00:38:31,397
He loves the fandom.
He loves all of us.

745
00:38:31,684 --> 00:38:34,028
He portrays us very well,

746
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:36,690
he's just very good
with his words,

747
00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:38,858
uses the right words,

748
00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:41,278
is very cautious about

749
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:44,914
what he says, who he says it to,

750
00:38:45,198 --> 00:38:49,374
to what media outlet
may be trying to get in

751
00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:51,959
and try to film us
or film anthrocon.

752
00:38:52,247 --> 00:38:54,247
He's very protective of it,
which I highly respect.

753
00:39:27,407 --> 00:39:30,411
We have had a few black eyes

754
00:39:30,702 --> 00:39:32,625
given to us by the media.

755
00:39:32,912 --> 00:39:35,461
We've had some very,
very good reporting,

756
00:39:35,748 --> 00:39:38,467
and we've had some reporting
that, shall we say,

757
00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:41,049
focused on aspects of the fandom

758
00:39:41,337 --> 00:39:43,214
that we really try to minimize.

759
00:39:55,435 --> 00:39:57,062
"We understand that furries

760
00:39:57,353 --> 00:40:00,072
have been treated unfairly
by the media, but we..."

761
00:40:01,691 --> 00:40:03,318
Uh-huh. Yeah.

762
00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:09,333
I have probably
600 emails in my archive

763
00:40:09,616 --> 00:40:11,744
that all have
that phrase in 'em,

764
00:40:12,035 --> 00:40:13,127
and they're all lying.

765
00:40:32,138 --> 00:40:34,732
When we were
at anthrocon, as you know,

766
00:40:35,016 --> 00:40:37,986
we got into some trouble
because we're the media.

767
00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:39,749
Can you tell me about
the relationship

768
00:40:40,021 --> 00:40:41,819
of furries to the media?

769
00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:46,657
Um, it's not very good
for two reasons.

770
00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:50,666
One, the media oftentimes

771
00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:53,077
over-exaggerates things,

772
00:40:53,368 --> 00:40:54,745
and I guess you could
say in a way

773
00:40:55,036 --> 00:40:56,754
they maybe make some stuff up

774
00:40:57,038 --> 00:40:58,991
and dig into things that
really shouldn't be dug into.

775
00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:01,547
They care more so about
their ratings

776
00:41:01,834 --> 00:41:04,929
than the truth.

777
00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:07,307
You have people
who are, you know,

778
00:41:07,590 --> 00:41:09,137
they've heard the stereotypes

779
00:41:09,425 --> 00:41:12,554
or they're apprehensive
about people in fur suits,

780
00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:15,769
and, you know,
a lot of people thinking

781
00:41:16,057 --> 00:41:17,934
it's a sexual thing
when it's not.

782
00:41:18,226 --> 00:41:21,571
Furries are just
into sexual acts.

783
00:41:21,854 --> 00:41:25,404
They do it inside of
their fursuits.

784
00:41:25,692 --> 00:41:28,036
They're a bunch of perverts.

785
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:30,196
The list goes on,

786
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:33,583
and it's absolutely not true.

787
00:41:33,866 --> 00:41:36,585
How much of a part of the fandom

788
00:41:36,869 --> 00:41:38,792
is sexual for you?

789
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,380
Well, that I...

790
00:41:42,667 --> 00:41:44,010
that I probably
really won't say,

791
00:41:44,293 --> 00:41:45,454
because I feel
that that's something

792
00:41:45,461 --> 00:41:48,010
that's personal to myself

793
00:41:48,297 --> 00:41:50,015
and to whomever it may be.

794
00:43:12,131 --> 00:43:13,633
If your back is to the wall

795
00:43:13,925 --> 00:43:15,142
and you got no better answer,

796
00:43:15,426 --> 00:43:16,769
play dumb.

797
00:43:17,053 --> 00:43:18,173
That's always worked for me,

798
00:43:18,221 --> 00:43:19,939
and I'm real good at it.

799
00:43:23,434 --> 00:43:25,436
What is this all about?

800
00:43:25,728 --> 00:43:27,071
Nothing.

801
00:43:27,355 --> 00:43:29,073
That's a lie.
They know that.

802
00:43:29,357 --> 00:43:31,906
What are you hiding?
What don't you want us to see?

803
00:43:32,193 --> 00:43:34,193
What is going on here?
What's really going on here?

804
00:44:07,228 --> 00:44:08,354
I mean, okay,

805
00:44:08,646 --> 00:44:10,006
there are some people
in the fandom

806
00:44:10,189 --> 00:44:14,535
that they're just known
for their sexual aspects,

807
00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:16,821
their porn of their character
and things like that,

808
00:44:17,113 --> 00:44:19,115
and I don't want
to be anywhere near that.

809
00:44:19,407 --> 00:44:21,159
I want people to know me for me

810
00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:23,919
and not what my character
looks like naked.

811
00:44:24,203 --> 00:44:26,080
You can't talk about
the furry community

812
00:44:26,372 --> 00:44:29,342
without talking
about sexual things.

813
00:44:29,625 --> 00:44:33,346
I mean, the two go
basically hand in hand.

814
00:44:33,629 --> 00:44:36,974
It's not so overt,
not everybody's into it,

815
00:44:37,258 --> 00:44:40,979
but it's certainly a very large
presence in the community,

816
00:44:41,262 --> 00:44:46,769
and to say that there is not
that presence would be remiss.

817
00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:49,232
I mean, it's obviously there

818
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:50,772
and it's obviously a big part.

819
00:44:51,063 --> 00:44:52,986
I don't really look
at erotic art.

820
00:44:53,274 --> 00:44:55,197
I see it online

821
00:44:55,484 --> 00:44:57,782
and I know that
is a big part of the fandom,

822
00:44:58,070 --> 00:45:00,198
but it's not something
I actually look at.

823
00:45:00,489 --> 00:45:03,208
And on furry affinity,
I have the kid filter on.

824
00:45:03,492 --> 00:45:04,994
I never specified age.

825
00:45:05,286 --> 00:45:07,584
I don't even see
the adult stuff on it.

826
00:45:07,872 --> 00:45:09,192
Where's the best place
to look at,

827
00:45:09,415 --> 00:45:11,088
- you or the camera? Okay.
- At me.

828
00:45:11,375 --> 00:45:14,299
So, my name's Varka.
My real name's Jan.

829
00:45:14,587 --> 00:45:18,637
I am a cocksmith by trade.

830
00:45:18,925 --> 00:45:22,020
I work for Bad dragon,

831
00:45:22,303 --> 00:45:25,523
and Bad dragon makes
fantasy-themed toys.

832
00:45:30,561 --> 00:45:32,780
The human condition
of where we're at

833
00:45:33,064 --> 00:45:36,238
in terms of accepting
adult things in our lives

834
00:45:36,525 --> 00:45:37,993
is kind of depressing.

835
00:45:38,277 --> 00:45:40,746
I hate to say it,
but particularly in America,

836
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:44,000
this was stuff that was
the foundation of religion.

837
00:45:44,283 --> 00:45:46,411
It was stuff to do with

838
00:45:46,702 --> 00:45:49,672
what is the socially-accepted
norm, right?

839
00:45:49,956 --> 00:45:51,833
What are things that are,
you know,

840
00:45:52,124 --> 00:45:53,592
that are considered good or bad?

841
00:45:53,876 --> 00:45:55,378
And I don't think masturbation

842
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:58,048
should ever be an acceptable
dinner table conversation ever

843
00:45:58,339 --> 00:46:00,637
because everybody
should have standards.

844
00:46:00,925 --> 00:46:03,128
And I think that's something
very important to emphasize,

845
00:46:03,135 --> 00:46:05,058
is any community
needs standards,

846
00:46:05,346 --> 00:46:08,566
and there needs to be certain
topics that are not on the table.

847
00:46:08,849 --> 00:46:10,567
But at the same time,

848
00:46:10,851 --> 00:46:14,401
I feel that people should be
comfortable enough with themselves

849
00:46:14,689 --> 00:46:17,238
and with their close-knit
group of friends

850
00:46:17,525 --> 00:46:20,153
to be able to be honest
with themselves

851
00:46:20,444 --> 00:46:21,741
about what they really want.

852
00:46:22,029 --> 00:46:24,532
What we've got is...
it's called a come tube.

853
00:46:24,824 --> 00:46:26,747
And so what you do
is you have this stuff

854
00:46:27,034 --> 00:46:28,862
which looks like come,
and you put it in a syringe,

855
00:46:28,869 --> 00:46:30,997
and you run it, and you
squirt it down the tube,

856
00:46:31,289 --> 00:46:33,007
and it comes out the end.

857
00:46:33,291 --> 00:46:34,634
Just a tube down the middle.

858
00:46:34,917 --> 00:46:37,670
This is one we found
in fantasy-themed fan-fiction

859
00:46:37,962 --> 00:46:39,305
and furry porn and stuff,

860
00:46:39,588 --> 00:46:42,467
the jizz always looks
like this stuff does.

861
00:46:42,758 --> 00:46:44,556
It's always everywhere, right?

862
00:46:44,844 --> 00:46:47,563
And we were like, "oh, if
we're doing fantasy toys",

863
00:46:47,847 --> 00:46:49,394
let's make fantasy lube
to go with it,

864
00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:51,229
'cause lube is expensive.

865
00:46:51,517 --> 00:46:52,970
If you go and buy it
from the pharmacy.

866
00:46:52,977 --> 00:46:55,856
It's six bucks
for a tube, right?

867
00:46:56,147 --> 00:46:58,070
And it doesn't work
very well with toys

868
00:46:58,357 --> 00:46:59,779
because it goes away a lot.

869
00:47:00,067 --> 00:47:02,240
It's designed for sex,
it's not designed for,

870
00:47:02,528 --> 00:47:04,246
you know, your own use.

871
00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:06,248
And so we made this stuff

872
00:47:06,532 --> 00:47:09,661
which we called come lube

873
00:47:09,952 --> 00:47:13,957
because it's
your idealized fantasy...

874
00:47:15,708 --> 00:47:17,802
Fantasy come.

875
00:47:18,085 --> 00:47:21,009
And it's all stringy,

876
00:47:21,297 --> 00:47:22,594
and it's white tinted,

877
00:47:22,882 --> 00:47:24,225
and it makes a huge mess.

878
00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:26,636
But it's...
I think it's hot.

879
00:47:26,927 --> 00:47:28,349
In the right context,

880
00:47:28,637 --> 00:47:30,105
I think this stuff's amazing.

881
00:47:43,152 --> 00:47:47,953
I have worked very,
very, very hard

882
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:52,416
to foster good relationships
with the local media

883
00:47:52,703 --> 00:47:55,422
and with the city of Pittsburgh.

884
00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:57,629
The city of Pittsburgh loves us.

885
00:47:57,917 --> 00:47:59,840
The media likes us.

886
00:48:00,127 --> 00:48:01,595
I want to keep it that way.

887
00:49:01,313 --> 00:49:02,280
A Pittsburgh man,

888
00:49:02,565 --> 00:49:03,737
we're gonna start with him.

889
00:49:04,024 --> 00:49:07,244
He believes his spirit
is more dog than human.

890
00:49:07,528 --> 00:49:08,871
Take a look at this guy.

891
00:49:09,155 --> 00:49:10,372
That's why he wanted

892
00:49:10,656 --> 00:49:12,401
to legally change his name
to boomer the dog.

893
00:49:12,408 --> 00:49:14,661
But a judge won't
let him change his name.

894
00:49:14,952 --> 00:49:17,296
These are my puppy ears
right here.

895
00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:19,799
And I have a dog tag.

896
00:49:20,082 --> 00:49:23,632
Do you consider
yourself what's called a furry?

897
00:49:23,919 --> 00:49:25,045
I do.

898
00:49:25,337 --> 00:49:27,760
I feel that
I'm a dog by default,

899
00:49:28,048 --> 00:49:31,973
but furry is the scene
that I'm in.

900
00:49:32,261 --> 00:49:35,481
I found it after I
discovered that I was a dog.

901
00:50:23,312 --> 00:50:25,314
Oh, well, I love the media.

902
00:50:25,606 --> 00:50:28,325
I'm in the media in my own way

903
00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:30,111
with my little radio station

904
00:50:30,402 --> 00:50:32,746
and podcasts
and stuff like that.

905
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:34,748
I really do like cameras.

906
00:50:35,032 --> 00:50:37,751
I like to be on the other
side of the camera,

907
00:50:38,035 --> 00:50:39,537
the lens side of the camera,

908
00:50:39,828 --> 00:50:43,583
and to just do productions
of any kind.

909
00:50:43,874 --> 00:50:46,468
I really like media,
just all in general.

910
00:50:46,752 --> 00:50:48,470
I've been holding it in
for a long time,

911
00:50:48,754 --> 00:50:50,472
you know, being canine.

912
00:50:50,756 --> 00:50:53,259
It was something
I was put down for

913
00:50:53,551 --> 00:50:55,679
back in my early days.

914
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:58,723
When I first started out,
people didn't get it.

915
00:50:59,014 --> 00:50:59,981
So, I like to do media,

916
00:51:00,266 --> 00:51:01,786
and I kind of feel like
it's an answer,

917
00:51:02,017 --> 00:51:05,146
some of this,
to what people said,

918
00:51:05,437 --> 00:51:07,155
or they didn't want me
to do this stuff,

919
00:51:07,439 --> 00:51:09,079
or thought it wouldn't
amount to anything.

920
00:51:09,233 --> 00:51:10,576
And it's kind oe like,

921
00:51:10,859 --> 00:51:13,112
I'd like the people
in my school to see this,

922
00:51:13,404 --> 00:51:14,781
and my teachers and everything,

923
00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:19,498
to see the media and,
yes, I'm still out there.

924
00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:21,708
Oh, god.

925
00:51:21,996 --> 00:51:23,919
He made his suit
out of shredded paper.

926
00:51:24,206 --> 00:51:26,334
- Mm-hmm.
- And he was on "Dr. Phil."

927
00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:27,968
Oh, god.

928
00:51:28,252 --> 00:51:30,380
What a bad representation
of the furry community.

929
00:51:30,671 --> 00:51:33,800
So are a lot of
furries upset about that?

930
00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:36,640
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, when it first aired,

931
00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:39,055
oh, my god.
F.A. Just blew up.

932
00:51:41,974 --> 00:51:43,692
It was unbelievable.

933
00:51:43,976 --> 00:51:46,320
Anyone who's outside
the fandom looking in,

934
00:51:46,604 --> 00:51:48,527
and they see
a person like boomer

935
00:51:48,814 --> 00:51:51,158
and they say, "oh,
what the heck is he doing?"

936
00:51:51,442 --> 00:51:55,197
And a group of furs,
who naturally should be

937
00:51:55,487 --> 00:51:56,727
accepting people to begin with,

938
00:51:56,989 --> 00:51:58,616
are like, "oh, boomer."

939
00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:01,147
And I just don't think that
should be the way that it is.

940
00:52:01,327 --> 00:52:02,920
I think, you know,

941
00:52:03,203 --> 00:52:05,126
like, look at yourself.

942
00:52:05,414 --> 00:52:07,963
I mean, you're the one...
you're dressing up in a suit.

943
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:10,594
You're running around town
and barking.

944
00:52:10,878 --> 00:52:13,097
How are you any different
than boomer is?

945
00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:15,724
You're always gonna have
a small portion of folks

946
00:52:16,008 --> 00:52:18,727
that stand out
in a negative way,

947
00:52:19,011 --> 00:52:20,729
especially to the media.

948
00:52:21,013 --> 00:52:23,937
I just personally felt that

949
00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:26,147
that was possibly one individual

950
00:52:26,435 --> 00:52:29,154
that didn't really represent

951
00:52:29,438 --> 00:52:32,112
the true meaning of the fandom.

952
00:52:32,399 --> 00:52:34,652
I mean, what makes his opinion

953
00:52:34,943 --> 00:52:36,445
more valuable than boomer's?

954
00:52:36,737 --> 00:52:40,833
Sure, and there are things
that Diezel likes

955
00:52:41,116 --> 00:52:43,244
that other people
consider to be,

956
00:52:43,535 --> 00:52:45,663
you know, taboo,

957
00:52:45,954 --> 00:52:48,503
or not a good representation
of the community.

958
00:52:48,791 --> 00:52:50,509
So, we each have our own things

959
00:52:50,793 --> 00:52:52,511
that we like and don't like.

960
00:52:52,795 --> 00:52:54,513
However, it's all part
of one community

961
00:52:54,797 --> 00:52:57,266
and you should talk to everybody

962
00:52:57,549 --> 00:52:58,721
to get the extremes of it.

963
00:52:59,009 --> 00:53:02,559
I do think that boomer
is one extreme,

964
00:53:02,846 --> 00:53:04,189
and I think that we are another.

965
00:53:04,473 --> 00:53:07,192
You know,
we are much unlike boomer,

966
00:53:07,476 --> 00:53:09,478
and even Diezel...

967
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:11,147
but two sides of the same coin.

968
00:53:11,438 --> 00:53:12,940
Boomer is a little,

969
00:53:13,232 --> 00:53:14,434
I mean,
I don't want to say that.

970
00:53:14,441 --> 00:53:17,285
That sounds so bad,
but he-

971
00:53:17,569 --> 00:53:19,412
yeah, I mean, his fursuit's
made out of paper

972
00:53:19,697 --> 00:53:21,415
and it's a little sketchy,

973
00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:23,246
and he tried to change his name.

974
00:53:23,534 --> 00:53:24,694
And I am not about that life.

975
00:53:26,203 --> 00:53:29,833
♪ All my love ♪

976
00:53:32,042 --> 00:53:34,761
See, there it is.

977
00:53:35,045 --> 00:53:37,343
Listen to my monitor.
From the A.M., there's delay.

978
00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:40,305
There's a lot of delay in this.

979
00:53:40,592 --> 00:53:42,094
♪ What am I supposed to do ♪

980
00:53:42,386 --> 00:53:43,888
♪ What am I supposed to do ♪

981
00:53:44,179 --> 00:53:45,522
♪ What am I supposed to do ♪

982
00:53:45,806 --> 00:53:48,229
♪ What am I supposed to do ♪

983
00:53:48,517 --> 00:53:50,144
Isn't that weird?
That's through A.M.

984
00:53:50,436 --> 00:53:52,609
It's going... 'cause there's
delay through everything.

985
00:53:52,896 --> 00:53:55,115
It's streaming down there and...

986
00:53:55,399 --> 00:53:56,651
♪ what can I do for you ♪

987
00:53:56,942 --> 00:53:58,660
♪ What can I do for you ♪

988
00:53:58,944 --> 00:54:01,288
A lot of the times
on TV shows-

989
00:54:01,572 --> 00:54:02,915
like, it's been on "Tyra banks"

990
00:54:03,198 --> 00:54:04,916
and it's been on...

991
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,747
Lots of shows,

992
00:54:07,035 --> 00:54:10,539
and they bring in
that type of...

993
00:54:10,831 --> 00:54:12,879
Bad, like, typical furry.

994
00:54:13,167 --> 00:54:14,767
Or they might just
tell 'em to ham it up.

995
00:54:14,918 --> 00:54:16,295
I don't know what happens.

996
00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:19,557
But they always end up
saying not good things

997
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,387
and making everyone else
look bad.

998
00:54:27,347 --> 00:54:28,439
Okay.

999
00:54:29,892 --> 00:54:33,112
Tell me about what a furry does.

1000
00:54:33,395 --> 00:54:35,113
Well, we are furries.

1001
00:54:35,397 --> 00:54:37,525
Furries are people

1002
00:54:37,816 --> 00:54:41,616
who have an inner animal
that they like to celebrate.

1003
00:54:41,904 --> 00:54:43,451
- Okay.
- And we celebrate it

1004
00:54:43,739 --> 00:54:47,539
through drawing ourselves
and wearing costumes.

1005
00:54:47,826 --> 00:54:49,703
Do you have sex
when you have the costume on?

1006
00:54:49,995 --> 00:54:51,338
Yes.

1007
00:54:54,541 --> 00:54:57,169
And I've heard that that person,

1008
00:54:57,461 --> 00:54:58,587
I don't know who it is,

1009
00:54:58,879 --> 00:55:00,597
but, like, people don't
talk to her anymore

1010
00:55:00,881 --> 00:55:02,000
and she feels bad or something,

1011
00:55:02,007 --> 00:55:04,009
but I don't know how it went.

1012
00:55:04,301 --> 00:55:05,928
I haven't looked up
on it, so-

1013
00:55:06,220 --> 00:55:07,563
oh!

1014
00:55:09,223 --> 00:55:11,317
Did you really?
Oh, my goodness. Okay.

1015
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:12,726
Shit.

1016
00:55:15,479 --> 00:55:18,779
This bitch
so crunchy right here.

1017
00:55:21,068 --> 00:55:22,866
Oh, wait a minute.
Hey, how's it going?

1018
00:55:23,153 --> 00:55:25,497
- I know, right?
- I just realized.

1019
00:55:25,781 --> 00:55:28,330
- Takes a while.
- I was like, "cl-l, wait a minute."

1020
00:55:28,617 --> 00:55:31,587
I've got, like, my little
missiles targeting it.

1021
00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:33,213
Fuck it!
You caught me!

1022
00:55:34,832 --> 00:55:37,176
Jesus.

1023
00:55:37,459 --> 00:55:39,120
"I don't know really
what to say about chew fox"

1024
00:55:39,127 --> 00:55:40,288
that hasn't already been said.

1025
00:55:40,295 --> 00:55:42,673
Suffice to say, she...

1026
00:55:42,965 --> 00:55:46,890
she sold out the fandom
for her own personal gain.

1027
00:55:47,177 --> 00:55:49,020
She got her 15 minutes
on national TV

1028
00:55:49,304 --> 00:55:51,932
by showing herself
to be the very kind of person

1029
00:55:52,224 --> 00:55:54,318
"we all like to pretend
doesn't exist."

1030
00:55:54,601 --> 00:55:56,361
And that's that point
you were talking about.

1031
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,740
Everyone likes to pretend
that it doesn't exist at all.

1032
00:56:00,023 --> 00:56:02,742
Like, no, it doesn't
happen at all.

1033
00:56:03,026 --> 00:56:06,656
And that's just
a wretched way to think.

1034
00:56:06,947 --> 00:56:09,200
"She did it by
taking a collective shit"

1035
00:56:09,491 --> 00:56:11,414
on the rest of us
for a few dollars- ♪

1036
00:56:11,702 --> 00:56:12,828
Which I didn't make...

1037
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,043
"and her moment
in the limelight."

1038
00:56:15,330 --> 00:56:16,456
I was less embarrassed

1039
00:56:16,748 --> 00:56:19,251
over the Alan panda
pedophilia issue

1040
00:56:19,543 --> 00:56:20,669
"than I am this shit."

1041
00:56:20,961 --> 00:56:22,053
Isn't that, like...

1042
00:56:22,337 --> 00:56:23,930
I am more insulting
than a pedophile.

1043
00:56:24,214 --> 00:56:25,932
I'm more insulting than someone

1044
00:56:26,216 --> 00:56:28,890
who was found sexually
assaulting children.

1045
00:56:29,177 --> 00:56:30,929
I am more offensive than that.

1046
00:56:37,477 --> 00:56:38,899
See? "Great.
Just what we need."

1047
00:56:39,187 --> 00:56:40,689
We were almost forgotten."

1048
00:56:42,482 --> 00:56:43,722
So, what?
This is something that

1049
00:56:43,984 --> 00:56:47,488
we have to feel ashamed
about, apparently.

1050
00:56:47,779 --> 00:56:49,281
There will be people
who will hate you

1051
00:56:49,573 --> 00:56:51,166
for this documentary.

1052
00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:53,293
There will be people
who will dislike me,

1053
00:56:53,577 --> 00:56:57,081
and you, and anyone
involved in this project.

1054
00:56:57,372 --> 00:57:02,253
One of the best pieces of
artwork I saw in my honor

1055
00:57:02,544 --> 00:57:03,921
was a picture
of someone holding me

1056
00:57:04,212 --> 00:57:06,260
by the scruff of my shirt,

1057
00:57:06,548 --> 00:57:09,722
and all it said was,
"You told."

1058
00:57:11,637 --> 00:57:12,684
That says it.

1059
00:57:12,971 --> 00:57:14,251
That's all
that needs to be said.

1060
00:57:14,389 --> 00:57:15,732
It's not what we say,

1061
00:57:16,016 --> 00:57:17,518
it's that we said it at all.

1062
00:57:29,613 --> 00:57:32,366
You guys might wanna get
a picture of this one.

1063
00:57:37,746 --> 00:57:40,590
More interesting sex
partners when we come back.

1064
00:57:40,874 --> 00:57:42,474
We'll be right back.
We'll keep guessing.

1065
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,719
Oh. "Uncle Kage's furries
in the media" next.

1066
00:57:48,006 --> 00:57:49,349
- Look at that.
- Don't.

1067
00:57:49,633 --> 00:57:51,180
Suggested?

1068
00:57:51,468 --> 00:57:55,564
Suggested to play
immediately afterwards.

1069
00:57:55,847 --> 00:57:57,815
Let me guess,
it's probably about me.

1070
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:00,980
So, reporters would come to me and
they would say, "Will you talk to us?"

1071
00:58:01,269 --> 00:58:03,442
I'd say,
"I'd rather not. No."

1072
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:05,858
So, they would go and find
someone who would.

1073
00:58:08,193 --> 00:58:10,821
Well, we can go on and on
with many examples.

1074
00:58:11,113 --> 00:58:12,313
I'm not going to name names...

1075
00:58:12,447 --> 00:58:13,369
Like chew fox.

1076
00:58:13,657 --> 00:58:15,785
I'm not gonna name that name...

1077
00:58:16,076 --> 00:58:17,953
Little fucking bitch.

1078
00:58:18,245 --> 00:58:19,963
He just uses diversion tactics.

1079
00:58:20,247 --> 00:58:22,591
He knows... he knows
how to manipulate

1080
00:58:22,874 --> 00:58:24,376
a conversation in his favor.

1081
00:58:24,668 --> 00:58:27,012
And that is a very
valuable skill,

1082
00:58:27,295 --> 00:58:29,593
and that's probably a skill
I don't necessarily have.

1083
00:58:29,881 --> 00:58:31,007
Maybe a little.
I don't know.

1084
00:58:31,299 --> 00:58:33,427
But I don't like that approach.

1085
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:35,437
I'm gonna be up front with you,

1086
00:58:35,721 --> 00:58:38,065
I think fursuits
can be very attractive.

1087
00:58:38,348 --> 00:58:42,023
I would still have sex
with someone in a fursuit.

1088
00:58:42,310 --> 00:58:44,187
I prefer to have sex
with someone in a fursuit

1089
00:58:44,479 --> 00:58:46,902
than to be in suit...
it's very hot.

1090
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:49,284
Um, you know, really hot.

1091
00:58:49,568 --> 00:58:50,615
When we went on the show,

1092
00:58:50,902 --> 00:58:52,825
they kind of lied to us
to get in there,

1093
00:58:53,113 --> 00:58:54,410
but that's what
a lot of them do.

1094
00:58:54,698 --> 00:58:58,373
They said hype up the story
and make it real.

1095
00:58:58,660 --> 00:59:01,209
So, they said,
"hey, you're gonna be paired"

1096
00:59:01,496 --> 00:59:04,215
with these two other peopl...
these two other couples,

1097
00:59:04,499 --> 00:59:09,505
and you guys are gonna be the people
who have sex in their fursuits.

1098
00:59:09,796 --> 00:59:11,514
And we're like,
"we don't do that."

1099
00:59:11,798 --> 00:59:13,516
"No, but we want you
to say you do that."

1100
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,473
<i>- Mm-hmm.
- But I don't do that.</i>

1101
00:59:15,761 --> 00:59:17,213
- Well, the thing...
- no, we haven't.

1102
00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:18,938
- We did a little bit.
- No, we didn't.

1103
00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:21,145
- Little bit.
- No.

1104
00:59:21,433 --> 00:59:25,233
Anyways, um, so...

1105
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:26,646
At that time, we just said,

1106
00:59:26,938 --> 00:59:27,978
"you know what?
Forget it."

1107
00:59:28,148 --> 00:59:29,365
Let's just go on there

1108
00:59:29,649 --> 00:59:31,369
"and try to portray it
the best way we can."

1109
00:59:31,610 --> 00:59:32,987
And it totally backfired.

1110
00:59:33,278 --> 00:59:36,202
And looking back at it,
we shouldn't have done it,

1111
00:59:36,490 --> 00:59:38,242
but hindsight is 20/20.

1112
00:59:38,533 --> 00:59:39,659
What's done is done.

1113
00:59:39,951 --> 00:59:41,669
As I've told him,
I don't regret it.

1114
00:59:41,953 --> 00:59:43,500
I don't.

1115
00:59:43,789 --> 00:59:45,325
I don't think we personally
did anything that wrong.

1116
00:59:45,332 --> 00:59:46,675
And what I had
told them yesterday

1117
00:59:46,958 --> 00:59:49,837
is that anything
that I said-

1118
00:59:50,128 --> 00:59:52,256
the first question
was directed at the fandom.

1119
00:59:52,547 --> 00:59:53,541
"What is the furry fandom?"

1120
00:59:53,548 --> 00:59:54,674
And I answered that.

1121
00:59:54,966 --> 00:59:56,606
But any question
that was asked after that

1122
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,933
was purely about
what goes on between us.

1123
00:59:59,221 --> 01:00:02,896
- Yeah.
- Yeah, really.

1124
01:00:05,811 --> 01:00:09,031
I think furries tend
to become very defensive

1125
01:00:09,314 --> 01:00:12,113
if they feel attacked,
regardless of the situation.

1126
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,119
It's very common for one person

1127
01:00:15,403 --> 01:00:17,531
to say something,
and then a group...

1128
01:00:17,823 --> 01:00:19,700
a mob Will just form
and attack that person.

1129
01:00:19,991 --> 01:00:22,585
Which isn't good, but...

1130
01:00:22,869 --> 01:00:26,715
<i>N</i>

1131
01:00:26,998 --> 01:00:28,409
There's a really
interesting dichotomy,

1132
01:00:28,416 --> 01:00:29,696
I think, in the furry community,

1133
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,055
because on one hand,
you have a lot of people

1134
01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:36,091
who... they're comfortable
with themselves,

1135
01:00:36,383 --> 01:00:38,002
they're comfortable
with their interests, right?

1136
01:00:38,009 --> 01:00:40,103
And to each other,
it's accepted and understood-

1137
01:00:40,387 --> 01:00:41,764
well understood.

1138
01:00:42,055 --> 01:00:45,400
And then whenever
media gets involved,

1139
01:00:45,684 --> 01:00:46,936
everyone's terrified.

1140
01:00:47,227 --> 01:00:48,524
Everyone is terrified.

1141
01:00:48,812 --> 01:00:51,156
And I think
it's a mistake for furries

1142
01:00:51,439 --> 01:00:55,239
to try and hide behind,

1143
01:00:55,527 --> 01:00:57,355
"oh, I don't want anything
to do with the media

1144
01:00:57,362 --> 01:01:00,707
because they might expose me
to be a pervert."

1145
01:01:00,991 --> 01:01:02,709
Everybody's a pervert
in some way.

1146
01:01:02,993 --> 01:01:04,336
The real question is

1147
01:01:04,619 --> 01:01:05,899
what is the intent of the person

1148
01:01:06,037 --> 01:01:08,756
that's looking to do
the expose, right?

1149
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,168
You need to be sensible.

1150
01:01:11,459 --> 01:01:13,757
But also along
the lines of, you know,

1151
01:01:14,045 --> 01:01:15,725
what does it say about you
if you're afraid

1152
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:19,343
to stand up for what
you believe in, right?

1153
01:01:19,634 --> 01:01:22,558
And I think it's...

1154
01:01:22,846 --> 01:01:25,065
that's part of the reason
why I'm doing this interview,

1155
01:01:25,348 --> 01:01:27,271
is because I think that, um,

1156
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:29,106
the furry fandom
has a long way to go

1157
01:01:29,394 --> 01:01:31,772
in terms of accepting itself.

1158
01:01:32,063 --> 01:01:33,986
Do you know who Varka is?

1159
01:01:34,274 --> 01:01:36,368
He's the CEO of Bad dragon.

1160
01:01:36,651 --> 01:01:39,154
Oh, okay. Yeah, okay.

1161
01:01:39,446 --> 01:01:40,789
So you've heard of Bad dragon?

1162
01:01:48,330 --> 01:01:49,798
Unfortunately, Bad dragon

1163
01:01:50,081 --> 01:01:52,960
has been taken away
from anthrocon.

1164
01:01:53,251 --> 01:01:56,471
It used to be an actual store.

1165
01:01:56,755 --> 01:02:01,101
They had things covered
so that minors couldn't view.

1166
01:02:01,384 --> 01:02:03,011
However, they were taken away

1167
01:02:03,303 --> 01:02:06,728
because uncle Kage wanted
nothing to do with that.

1168
01:02:07,015 --> 01:02:09,359
So, that was
uncle Kage's decision

1169
01:02:09,643 --> 01:02:12,943
to boot Varka and Bad dragon.

1170
01:02:26,826 --> 01:02:28,624
Okay, you can mute it.

1171
01:02:28,912 --> 01:02:30,038
He's right.

1172
01:02:33,625 --> 01:02:35,844
- What was that?
- I said he's right.

1173
01:02:36,127 --> 01:02:38,721
It does take years
to build a reputation

1174
01:02:39,005 --> 01:02:41,303
and ten seconds to destroy it.

1175
01:02:41,591 --> 01:02:44,310
People would not be
totally accepting

1176
01:02:44,594 --> 01:02:47,268
of the full truth.

1177
01:02:47,555 --> 01:02:49,273
It's like a white lie.

1178
01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:51,855
You're telling them
part of the truth,

1179
01:02:52,143 --> 01:02:54,771
so that they'll understand it,

1180
01:02:55,063 --> 01:02:57,407
but they don't need
to know everything.

1181
01:02:57,691 --> 01:03:01,867
If something really bad happened

1182
01:03:02,153 --> 01:03:07,284
and it was exploited
by the media to the public,

1183
01:03:07,575 --> 01:03:11,296
do you think that families
would bring their children

1184
01:03:11,579 --> 01:03:14,879
to the Westin hotel lobby

1185
01:03:15,166 --> 01:03:17,510
to get hugs from furries?

1186
01:03:17,794 --> 01:03:20,138
No.

1187
01:03:20,422 --> 01:03:21,702
Right now,
my daughters too young

1188
01:03:21,965 --> 01:03:25,970
to understand any
of the porn side of it.

1189
01:03:26,261 --> 01:03:29,105
Obviously, we don't show
her that kind of stuff.

1190
01:03:29,389 --> 01:03:33,690
And when she's old enough
to make her own decision,

1191
01:03:33,977 --> 01:03:35,479
she can decide
whether she thinks

1192
01:03:35,770 --> 01:03:37,397
that it's okay or not okay.

1193
01:03:37,689 --> 01:03:39,612
But we're going to raise her

1194
01:03:39,899 --> 01:03:42,618
as this is perfectly acceptable

1195
01:03:42,902 --> 01:03:45,325
and that everyone
is their own person

1196
01:03:45,613 --> 01:03:48,241
and you should accept people
for who they are.

1197
01:03:49,659 --> 01:03:52,128
<i>Did I say that out loud?
I'm terribly sorry.</i>

1198
01:03:52,412 --> 01:03:53,572
I'm very, very...
I apologize.

1199
01:03:53,788 --> 01:03:55,068
It is the wine,
I blame the wine.

1200
01:03:55,248 --> 01:03:56,966
They put something in it...
alcohol.

1201
01:03:57,250 --> 01:03:58,877
That's all.

1202
01:03:59,169 --> 01:04:00,889
<i>I really didn't
know I was doing this panel,</i>

1203
01:04:01,004 --> 01:04:02,631
- hon est.
- Wow.

1204
01:04:07,344 --> 01:04:09,142
<i>I feel like
even politicians, though,</i>

1205
01:04:09,429 --> 01:04:11,549
- that's what bothers me.
- I never heard a politician

1206
01:04:11,806 --> 01:04:13,934
call someone a fucking bitch.

1207
01:04:14,225 --> 01:04:16,569
I mean, okay,

1208
01:04:16,853 --> 01:04:18,981
maybe in the privacy
of their own home,

1209
01:04:19,272 --> 01:04:23,402
but I've never blatantly heard
someone on camera say that.

1210
01:04:23,693 --> 01:04:26,822
If you have
a reputation to preserve,

1211
01:04:27,113 --> 01:04:29,662
don't call people
"fucking bitches."

1212
01:04:29,949 --> 01:04:32,748
That's really sad.

1213
01:04:33,036 --> 01:04:34,754
I don't know, I mean,

1214
01:04:35,038 --> 01:04:38,167
that you have to be that
insecure about yourself

1215
01:04:38,458 --> 01:04:41,553
to call someone out like that.

1216
01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:47,342
- Kato, get over here.
- What's up'?

1217
01:04:47,634 --> 01:04:49,181
Okay, so any of that-

1218
01:04:49,469 --> 01:04:52,188
do you feel like that's
surprising to you in any way?

1219
01:04:52,472 --> 01:04:55,772
You're free to judge me,
but I agreed with 85% of it.

1220
01:04:56,059 --> 01:04:58,403
And with the maybe 15% left,

1221
01:04:58,686 --> 01:05:00,814
content-wise,
only 5 of it.

1222
01:05:01,106 --> 01:05:02,934
Most of it's just in the way
you say something.

1223
01:05:02,941 --> 01:05:05,021
A politician should never
get caught saying his mind.

1224
01:05:05,276 --> 01:05:06,573
But, I mean, aside from that,

1225
01:05:06,861 --> 01:05:10,286
I don't really disagree
with what he's got to say.

1226
01:05:10,573 --> 01:05:13,201
<i>I think it's a difficult...</i>

1227
01:05:13,493 --> 01:05:15,791
I don't know, it's...
do you-

1228
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:17,119
fuck, dude, really?
Really?

1229
01:05:17,288 --> 01:05:18,688
You don't like
that there are people

1230
01:05:18,873 --> 01:05:19,993
who are gonna agree with it.

1231
01:05:20,208 --> 01:05:22,586
But, I mean, I don't know,

1232
01:05:22,877 --> 01:05:25,221
it just doesn't seem
that hyperbolic to me.

1233
01:05:25,505 --> 01:05:26,927
The way in which
he says it, sure,

1234
01:05:27,215 --> 01:05:29,809
but I do think most people
are too inept

1235
01:05:30,093 --> 01:05:32,562
to articulate
their own standpoints,

1236
01:05:32,846 --> 01:05:35,816
let alone someone else's,
or a group's identity.

1237
01:05:36,099 --> 01:05:39,444
So, yeah, I think
that the guy who is

1238
01:05:39,727 --> 01:05:41,604
most able to do so
probably should.

1239
01:05:41,896 --> 01:05:43,068
But, you guys, you know,

1240
01:05:43,356 --> 01:05:44,767
I've been working on this
for three years.

1241
01:05:44,774 --> 01:05:46,374
You guys have been
communicating with me.

1242
01:05:46,568 --> 01:05:49,037
You guys are people who
know how to speak English.

1243
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,243
Right, and I guess that's
what I would caution.

1244
01:05:51,531 --> 01:05:52,891
I mean, not to sound
condescending,

1245
01:05:53,074 --> 01:05:55,074
'cause I'm not here to tell
you how to do your job.

1246
01:05:55,118 --> 01:05:58,042
But, I guess, make sure
that you spend more time

1247
01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:00,729
bringing to light those voices
who can articulate themselves,

1248
01:06:00,957 --> 01:06:03,369
rather than bringing down someone
who attempts to do it for them

1249
01:06:03,376 --> 01:06:05,424
even if, perhaps, not in a
way that you approve of.

1250
01:06:05,712 --> 01:06:07,331
I don't know, maybe a lot
of furries are stupid.

1251
01:06:07,338 --> 01:06:08,541
Maybe we're the only smart ones.

1252
01:06:08,548 --> 01:06:09,549
I don't know.
I don't-

1253
01:06:09,841 --> 01:06:11,127
it's not that
they're stupid, I think.

1254
01:06:11,134 --> 01:06:12,454
I just think that
they're just not

1255
01:06:12,635 --> 01:06:14,637
held to a high enough
standard of behavior.

1256
01:06:14,929 --> 01:06:18,229
They don't think about their
conduct in a larger sense,

1257
01:06:18,516 --> 01:06:20,553
and I think that's what Kage's
trying to impose on people.

1258
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,346
Whether or not he's going
to be successful at that,

1259
01:06:22,353 --> 01:06:24,447
whether or not he can be
successful at that,

1260
01:06:24,731 --> 01:06:25,903
that's up for debate.

1261
01:06:26,191 --> 01:06:28,285
But I think that people
do need to think about

1262
01:06:28,568 --> 01:06:30,286
how they are perceived
by other people.

1263
01:06:30,570 --> 01:06:34,416
It's an important part
of personal responsibility.

1264
01:06:34,699 --> 01:06:36,667
And I think as soon
as someone like Kage gets up

1265
01:06:36,951 --> 01:06:38,669
and says, "be this, be this",

1266
01:06:38,953 --> 01:06:40,500
not this, and do this,"

1267
01:06:40,788 --> 01:06:42,961
it takes anything valid in
the fandom that we've done

1268
01:06:43,249 --> 01:06:45,672
and just flushes it
right down the toilet.

1269
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,133
Because if we are
all about acceptance,

1270
01:06:48,421 --> 01:06:51,675
if we all are
about individuality,

1271
01:06:51,966 --> 01:06:54,515
who's to say that
he can say that to anybody

1272
01:06:54,802 --> 01:06:56,242
and that people should
listen to him?

1273
01:06:56,513 --> 01:06:58,515
I think it's common knowledge

1274
01:06:58,806 --> 01:07:01,685
over people who have
the Internet and cable-

1275
01:07:01,976 --> 01:07:04,104
everyone's like,
"oh, yeah, furries."

1276
01:07:04,395 --> 01:07:06,523
They dress up as animals
and have sex with each other,

1277
01:07:06,814 --> 01:07:08,726
"or they go in the woods
and have sex with animals,"

1278
01:07:08,733 --> 01:07:12,533
or things like that,
and then they move on.

1279
01:07:12,820 --> 01:07:14,020
But then the furries are like,

1280
01:07:14,072 --> 01:07:17,121
"no, we cannot
let this happen!"

1281
01:07:17,408 --> 01:07:18,250
It already happened.

1282
01:07:18,535 --> 01:07:19,536
You can't change it back.

1283
01:07:19,827 --> 01:07:21,750
Like, so...

1284
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:23,915
Do you worry that
if you say the wrong thing

1285
01:07:24,207 --> 01:07:26,926
that you're gonna get
in trouble with furries?

1286
01:07:27,210 --> 01:07:30,555
Do I worry a little bit?

1287
01:07:30,838 --> 01:07:32,340
Sure.

1288
01:07:32,632 --> 01:07:34,350
But I've made
the conscious decision

1289
01:07:34,634 --> 01:07:36,728
to step in front
of this camera right here

1290
01:07:37,011 --> 01:07:40,561
and speak my mind on it.

1291
01:07:40,848 --> 01:07:42,408
Could there be
some repercussions of it?

1292
01:07:42,642 --> 01:07:43,939
Sure.

1293
01:07:44,227 --> 01:07:46,355
At the end of the day,
I've still got my friends

1294
01:07:46,646 --> 01:07:49,365
and that's all
that matters to me.

1295
01:07:49,649 --> 01:07:51,572
I'm not out here
to defame anybody.

1296
01:07:51,859 --> 01:07:54,237
I'm not out here to throw
the fandom under the bus.

1297
01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:56,952
I'm not out to change the world.

1298
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:58,583
I'm not out
to change the fandom.

1299
01:07:58,866 --> 01:08:00,914
I'm just out there to be me.

1300
01:08:01,202 --> 01:08:02,530
Once again, I'm going to
reiterate this point

1301
01:08:02,537 --> 01:08:04,585
because it is very important.

1302
01:08:04,872 --> 01:08:06,169
You're not representing you,

1303
01:08:06,457 --> 01:08:08,175
you're representing all of us.

1304
01:08:08,459 --> 01:08:09,756
I think what he's getting at

1305
01:08:10,044 --> 01:08:12,718
is when you decide to get
in front of a camera,

1306
01:08:13,006 --> 01:08:15,179
you're not representing
just you at that time.

1307
01:08:15,466 --> 01:08:17,594
You're representing the fandom.

1308
01:08:17,885 --> 01:08:18,761
And I think, again,

1309
01:08:19,053 --> 01:08:20,396
a lot of people try to do that,

1310
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,059
but they don't say it
in the right way.

1311
01:08:24,350 --> 01:08:25,602
Is that tough for when

1312
01:08:25,893 --> 01:08:27,611
you feel like
your only responsibility

1313
01:08:27,895 --> 01:08:29,989
should just be to be you, right,

1314
01:08:30,273 --> 01:08:32,268
instead of somebody who
just got into an interview?

1315
01:08:32,275 --> 01:08:35,620
Yeah, I mean, it kind of makes
sense to what he's saying

1316
01:08:35,903 --> 01:08:37,951
at this point in time right now.

1317
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:40,207
I'm not just representing me,

1318
01:08:40,491 --> 01:08:44,792
I'm representing the fandom.

1319
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:47,628
The people that like him,
do they actually like him?

1320
01:08:47,915 --> 01:08:49,212
Because now I'm a little...

1321
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:50,870
sort of the way
your interview went,

1322
01:08:50,877 --> 01:08:52,580
it was, like, not that
you were supporting him,

1323
01:08:52,587 --> 01:08:54,009
but at first
you didn't necessarily

1324
01:08:54,297 --> 01:08:55,640
want to speak too ill of him.

1325
01:08:55,923 --> 01:08:57,800
So, I almost wonder
if it's maybe because

1326
01:08:58,092 --> 01:09:00,686
they feel like
they have to support him,

1327
01:09:00,970 --> 01:09:02,643
or at least not be detractors,

1328
01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:04,773
or if they genuinely like him.

1329
01:09:05,058 --> 01:09:08,437
Basically, he's got
connections to the other...

1330
01:09:08,728 --> 01:09:10,651
the other higher...

1331
01:09:10,938 --> 01:09:13,032
if you would even
call them higher up furs,

1332
01:09:13,316 --> 01:09:16,240
as in dragoneer
who runs fur affinity

1333
01:09:16,527 --> 01:09:17,807
and some of the other web sites.

1334
01:09:17,945 --> 01:09:19,265
And I think
there's a general fear

1335
01:09:19,530 --> 01:09:22,830
that his cronies
or his followers

1336
01:09:23,117 --> 01:09:24,528
are going to
beat the shit out of you

1337
01:09:24,535 --> 01:09:27,038
because you spoke ill of Kage,

1338
01:09:27,330 --> 01:09:28,673
when I think the reality is

1339
01:09:28,956 --> 01:09:32,881
he thinks he speaks
for the masses,

1340
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:35,968
and I just think
he speaks for some.

1341
01:09:36,255 --> 01:09:39,475
And I think a lot of people
won't talk ill of that

1342
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:41,261
because they don't
want to be shown

1343
01:09:41,552 --> 01:09:42,952
as someone who's
against the fandom,

1344
01:09:43,221 --> 01:09:45,440
and some people think
if you don't agree with Kage,

1345
01:09:45,723 --> 01:09:47,725
you're against the fandom.

1346
01:09:48,017 --> 01:09:50,270
I feel you're a little biased

1347
01:09:50,561 --> 01:09:52,438
in your interviewing.

1348
01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:54,482
Just a little bit.

1349
01:09:54,774 --> 01:09:56,276
Poquito.

1350
01:09:56,567 --> 01:09:57,864
<i>Well, I mean, it's like...</i>

1351
01:09:58,152 --> 01:09:59,950
where's the other...
where's Kage's side?

1352
01:10:00,238 --> 01:10:02,707
Fucking, I would love it.
I would love that side.

1353
01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:04,082
You can't get Kage's side

1354
01:10:04,367 --> 01:10:06,040
without Kage's approval
on Kage's edit.

1355
01:10:06,327 --> 01:10:07,920
Didn't he deny doing this?

1356
01:10:08,204 --> 01:10:09,922
Yeah, he said...

1357
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,422
sure, yeah.

1358
01:10:17,714 --> 01:10:19,091
A lot of other communities

1359
01:10:19,382 --> 01:10:21,305
don't really have
the same problems

1360
01:10:21,592 --> 01:10:23,720
that the furry community does.

1361
01:10:24,011 --> 01:10:25,451
But I feel that a lot
of the problems

1362
01:10:25,596 --> 01:10:27,314
that the furry community has

1363
01:10:27,598 --> 01:10:30,647
are brought on
by themselves-

1364
01:10:30,935 --> 01:10:34,155
mainly trying to spin
themselves in a good light

1365
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,112
when it not necessarily is.

1366
01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:38,618
I'm not saying that things
are bad or wrong

1367
01:10:38,901 --> 01:10:40,118
with the furry community,

1368
01:10:40,403 --> 01:10:44,749
but they are certainly not
portrayed real.

1369
01:10:45,032 --> 01:10:47,831
It's just what
they want you to see,

1370
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:49,666
and that comes off...

1371
01:10:49,954 --> 01:10:51,752
people take that
and spin that even.

1372
01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:54,838
- So...
- It's an unnecessary cover-up.

1373
01:10:55,126 --> 01:10:56,343
If you just let things be,

1374
01:10:56,627 --> 01:10:58,129
it might be a Niger place.

1375
01:10:58,421 --> 01:11:02,301
People might actually accept
furries for who they are.

1376
01:11:02,592 --> 01:11:04,392
And here's the thing, too,
let me add to that,

1377
01:11:04,635 --> 01:11:06,353
and why he...

1378
01:11:06,637 --> 01:11:08,731
I believe he tries
to help the fandom

1379
01:11:09,015 --> 01:11:10,358
and here's one reason why.

1380
01:11:10,641 --> 01:11:13,941
What is the age majority
in the fandom?

1381
01:11:17,148 --> 01:11:19,150
It's very young.
It's a very young fandom.

1382
01:11:19,442 --> 01:11:22,321
As I get older, the fandom
continues to stay young

1383
01:11:22,612 --> 01:11:24,785
and get younger.

1384
01:11:25,072 --> 01:11:28,952
A lot of young people
in this generation,

1385
01:11:29,243 --> 01:11:31,166
they don't always
know what to say.

1386
01:11:31,454 --> 01:11:35,834
They're very stubborn.
They have a lot of pride.

1387
01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:38,924
They don't think about
the repercussions of things,

1388
01:11:39,212 --> 01:11:42,933
and you have to be careful
with people like that.

1389
01:11:51,808 --> 01:11:54,607
So, uncle Kage's
doing a "winestream,"

1390
01:11:54,894 --> 01:11:56,521
which is a livestream.

1391
01:11:56,813 --> 01:11:59,191
If you're unfamiliar
with what that is,

1392
01:11:59,482 --> 01:12:01,200
it's just him
at his computer at his house

1393
01:12:01,484 --> 01:12:04,533
taking questions for hours
and getting drunk.

1394
01:12:06,614 --> 01:12:07,991
Is this controlling these?

1395
01:12:08,282 --> 01:12:09,829
<i>You don't hear an echo?
I don't care.</i>

1396
01:12:10,117 --> 01:12:10,993
I have an idea.

1397
01:12:11,285 --> 01:12:12,780
For those of you
who say you hear an echo,

1398
01:12:12,787 --> 01:12:14,915
fuck you! Okay, now!

1399
01:12:15,206 --> 01:12:19,006
We're getting going because
I've not been able to drink

1400
01:12:19,293 --> 01:12:22,012
while Jack has been screwing
around with the damn server!

1401
01:12:22,296 --> 01:12:23,639
Now it's my turn.

1402
01:12:23,923 --> 01:12:25,550
- So!
- Shit.

1403
01:12:25,842 --> 01:12:27,586
I'd like to welcome you all
to the winestream.

1404
01:12:27,593 --> 01:12:28,845
I apologize.

1405
01:12:29,136 --> 01:12:30,548
We had a very,
very lovely intro set up,

1406
01:12:30,555 --> 01:12:31,852
but, oh, well.

1407
01:12:32,139 --> 01:12:32,856
Maybe next time.

1408
01:12:33,140 --> 01:12:35,268
I apologize,

1409
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,234
I don't like
north Carolina wines.

1410
01:12:38,521 --> 01:12:40,865
It's a lovely state, and I'm
sure they make lovely wines,

1411
01:12:41,148 --> 01:12:42,445
but they're not to my taste,

1412
01:12:42,733 --> 01:12:44,270
I prefer Columbia valley,
Washington state,

1413
01:12:44,277 --> 01:12:46,245
or Mosel valley of Germany.

1414
01:12:46,529 --> 01:12:48,031
Um, Dominic.
"Do we really need

1415
01:12:48,322 --> 01:12:50,042
the anthrocon media policy
to be so strict?"

1416
01:12:50,157 --> 01:12:52,660
Fuck, yes!

1417
01:12:52,952 --> 01:12:55,046
Um, okay, cook away.

1418
01:12:55,329 --> 01:12:57,673
"The elevators will hold up.
What about the escalators?"

1419
01:12:57,957 --> 01:13:01,461
- One thing at a time.
- One, two, now.

1420
01:13:01,752 --> 01:13:03,971
Somebody asked me a
question, it went away.

1421
01:13:04,255 --> 01:13:06,053
I'm gonna start at the bottom.

1422
01:13:06,340 --> 01:13:08,684
"Do you ever feel you're going
too far calling furries out

1423
01:13:08,968 --> 01:13:10,963
that screw up in the media, like
boomer the dog and chew fox?"

1424
01:13:10,970 --> 01:13:12,690
No! No, they're a bunch
of fucking asswipes.

1425
01:13:12,763 --> 01:13:14,015
I don't feel I'm going too far.

1426
01:13:14,307 --> 01:13:15,587
I want them Tc shut the hell up.

1427
01:13:15,725 --> 01:13:18,569
They're not representing me!

1428
01:13:18,853 --> 01:13:19,570
Mmm.

1429
01:13:19,854 --> 01:13:21,697
Cool.

1430
01:13:27,695 --> 01:13:30,699
I think what you said
is probably absolutely true.

1431
01:13:30,990 --> 01:13:33,743
I think he probably indulges
in some of the same shit

1432
01:13:34,035 --> 01:13:35,787
that he sees other people...

1433
01:13:36,078 --> 01:13:38,922
and that he doesn't want to be
identified with the same thing,

1434
01:13:39,206 --> 01:13:41,709
he wants his own image saved.

1435
01:13:42,001 --> 01:13:46,723
Um, and it's purely
for his own...

1436
01:13:49,008 --> 01:13:50,134
I think. It's...

1437
01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:51,928
it's for him.

1438
01:13:52,219 --> 01:13:56,941
The people that are enjoying

1439
01:13:57,224 --> 01:13:58,271
the fandom the most,

1440
01:13:58,559 --> 01:14:01,278
the people that get
fandom the most

1441
01:14:01,562 --> 01:14:03,485
and get the most out of it

1442
01:14:03,773 --> 01:14:05,946
are the ones that basically say,

1443
01:14:06,233 --> 01:14:07,530
"I don't give a fuck."

1444
01:14:07,818 --> 01:14:09,536
I don't give a fuck
what dragoneer says.

1445
01:14:09,820 --> 01:14:11,948
I don't give a fuck
what uncle kage says.

1446
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:15,209
"I don't give a fuck
about any of that shit."

1447
01:14:15,493 --> 01:14:17,996
<i>N</i>

1448
01:14:18,287 --> 01:14:22,758
♪ like magic he appears ♪

1449
01:14:23,042 --> 01:14:26,763
♪ A hero to save the day ♪

1450
01:14:27,046 --> 01:14:31,142
♪� and just when you think
he's here for good ♪

1451
01:14:31,425 --> 01:14:36,147
♪ That's when he goes away ♪

1452
01:14:36,430 --> 01:14:39,354
♪ 'Cause he's boomer ♪

1453
01:14:39,642 --> 01:14:40,768
♪ Boomer ♪

1454
01:14:41,060 --> 01:14:43,438
♪ Boomer ♪

1455
01:14:45,773 --> 01:14:47,150
So, this is all about-

1456
01:14:47,441 --> 01:14:49,785
and you can see
it's still in German.

1457
01:14:50,069 --> 01:14:53,619
The titles are still in German
and stuff like that.

1458
01:14:53,906 --> 01:14:55,374
See, and when I would hear him,

1459
01:14:55,658 --> 01:14:57,786
I would tape record
these barks-

1460
01:14:58,077 --> 01:15:00,171
the pieces,
the parts of the show

1461
01:15:00,454 --> 01:15:02,054
where he was barking
and stuff like that.

1462
01:15:02,289 --> 01:15:03,381
And then I'd play it back

1463
01:15:03,666 --> 01:15:07,170
and I would try
to learn his bark.

1464
01:15:07,461 --> 01:15:08,428
And that's how I got

1465
01:15:08,713 --> 01:15:10,010
the "here's boomer" bark for me.

1466
01:15:10,297 --> 01:15:12,174
I'd just listen over and over

1467
01:15:12,466 --> 01:15:14,514
and then try to bark like that.

1468
01:15:14,802 --> 01:15:16,349
That's the
only way to shut him up.

1469
01:15:16,637 --> 01:15:17,881
You figured it out for yourself.

1470
01:15:17,888 --> 01:15:20,607
Good for you, boomer.

1471
01:15:20,891 --> 01:15:23,394
The thing ls,
ls why did that hit me

1472
01:15:23,686 --> 01:15:27,031
when it could've been
just as much the human world?

1473
01:15:27,314 --> 01:15:29,032
Because I was
in the human world.

1474
01:15:29,316 --> 01:15:30,488
So, why would the dog, like,

1475
01:15:30,776 --> 01:15:31,618
step out, you know,

1476
01:15:31,902 --> 01:15:36,533
and get me so much

1477
01:15:36,824 --> 01:15:38,826
when it could've been
any number of factors

1478
01:15:39,118 --> 01:15:40,540
or anything else?

1479
01:15:40,828 --> 01:15:42,626
But somehow I was different,

1480
01:15:42,913 --> 01:15:45,007
and then somehow
the dog was there,

1481
01:15:45,291 --> 01:15:49,216
and then somehow I kept on
being canine all this time,

1482
01:15:49,503 --> 01:15:51,426
whatever it's been now.

1483
01:15:51,714 --> 01:15:52,840
I don't know how long,

1484
01:15:53,132 --> 01:15:54,652
like, 40 years
or something ridiculous?

1485
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,928
I don't know.

1486
01:15:57,219 --> 01:16:00,063
I just go right across here.
You don't mind?

1487
01:16:00,347 --> 01:16:01,439
Okay.

1488
01:16:09,106 --> 01:16:12,076
There's kind of a way
of doing things

1489
01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:14,236
in the furry scene now

1490
01:16:14,528 --> 01:16:16,371
that I think allows
less expression

1491
01:16:16,655 --> 01:16:18,874
than it did when
I first came on the scene.

1492
01:16:19,158 --> 01:16:20,535
You didn't have
that kind of-

1493
01:16:20,826 --> 01:16:25,047
there wasn't a social pressure
to conformity as much.

1494
01:16:25,331 --> 01:16:27,254
Which is weird
to be even saying,

1495
01:16:27,541 --> 01:16:30,260
because furry is this different
thing to begin with.

1496
01:16:30,544 --> 01:16:32,888
So I kind of don't understand...

1497
01:16:33,172 --> 01:16:36,267
I don't understand some
of the modern philosophy.

1498
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:38,427
But I kinda do,
because, like, I bark.

1499
01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:41,097
People come into the scene
and that's all they know,

1500
01:16:41,388 --> 01:16:44,688
so they expect other people
to be similar.

1501
01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:46,522
I love furries so much.

1502
01:16:46,811 --> 01:16:48,905
I want to see all kinds
of people have it

1503
01:16:49,188 --> 01:16:50,485
and enjoy it if they'd like to.

1504
01:16:50,773 --> 01:16:51,899
And I'd like them to see

1505
01:16:52,191 --> 01:16:54,285
all the sides of furry,
you know,

1506
01:16:54,568 --> 01:16:55,728
good and bad, whatever it is.

1507
01:16:55,986 --> 01:16:57,954
I don't think
there's much bad to it.

1508
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:01,709
It's people trying to discover
themselves in different ways.

1509
01:17:07,123 --> 01:17:09,296
Right away when I did this,
I was told,

1510
01:17:09,583 --> 01:17:14,680
"why don't you just keep your
regular name like the rest of us?"

1511
01:17:14,964 --> 01:17:16,307
And I was like...
I almost, like-

1512
01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:18,934
I was angry, but I was
laughing at the same time

1513
01:17:19,218 --> 01:17:20,310
because I was like,

1514
01:17:20,594 --> 01:17:22,312
"that's not what
it's about for me."

1515
01:18:50,935 --> 01:18:54,235
<i>N</i>