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<i>What was that?</i>

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<i>Me and my brother,</i>

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<i>we'd just got</i>
<i>out of the shower,</i>

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<i>and he was about</i>
<i>two years younger than me.</i>

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<i>And while my mom</i>
<i>was taking care of him</i>

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<i>'cause he's tiny,</i>

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- <i> I was in the living room,
drying off, watching TV.</i>

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- Five, four, three...

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<i>In a Miami, Florida,</i>
<i>courtroom today,</i>

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<i>former Panamanian dictator,</i>
<i>Manuel noriega...</i>

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- <i> hey, Chris.</i>
- Whoever the newscaster was

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<i>starts kind of getting</i>
<i>my attention...</i>

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- <i> Chris.</i>
- <i> Saying like, "hey, Chris. Hey, Chris."</i>

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<i>Hey, Chris.</i>

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- <i> And It's saying, "don't worry."
- Don't worry.</i>

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<i>Everything's gonna be okay.</i>

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<i>And one day, We'll be back.</i>

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<i>It terrified me.</i>

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I remember screaming
to get my mom,

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<i>bringing her to the TV,</i>

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<i>who now was back to doing</i>
<i>normal news casting,</i>

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because that's,
you know, what it was.

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And her basically
explaining to me, like,

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"tv's don't talk to you.
That's ridiculous."

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I'm disenchanted,
because now I thought

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something really cool happened,

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and that's not a thing
I remember,

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I know it was there.

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And, you know,
I was wide awake.

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I had literally
just gotten out of the shower,

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and it was this very
overwhelming experience for me

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because now,
as a five-year-old,

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I didn't know where I belonged.

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<i>Okay. Set.</i>

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<i>So how did this start, Jeff?</i>

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Um, probably
about 10 years ago.

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My girlfriend at the time and I
were talking about

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different paranormal stories,
and she started telling me

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about how sometimes
she'd wake up

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in the middle of the night,

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just, like, unable
to move or breathe.

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She said it felt like
there's, like,

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an evil presence
in the room with her,

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and they would just, like...
kind of, like, torment her.

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And she would eventually
wake up,

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and it'd be like
it was just a dream.

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After she told me that,

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I didn't really know
what to make of it.

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I was like, "okay, I got
involved with some crazy girl."

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And I just kind of changed
the subject,

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started talking
about something else.

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Then about a week later,
I laid down to go to sleep.

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<i>And just as I started</i>
<i>to drift off,</i>

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<i>I felt my body</i>
<i>just become extremely heavy.</i>

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<i>It was like I fell asleep,</i>

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<i>but then woke up</i>
<i>at the same instant.</i>

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<i>And my whole body</i>
<i>started tingling.</i>

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<i>It just felt like</i>
<i>really weighted down,</i>

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<i>like something was pulling me.</i>

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And I heard this, like, sound.

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It wasn't outside of my head,

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but it was just
inside of my head.

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It just sounded
like a washing machine

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that kind of out of balance
or something,

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just banging against the wall,
and just really terrified me.

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I kind of started,
like, freaking out,

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and, like,
started seeing things.

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And it was really bizarre.

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<i>Well, what did you see?</i>

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Um, it was kind of like...

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it was kind of like...

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<i>All these different colors,</i>

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<i>like a laser light show</i>
<i>or something,</i>

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<i>like, I was like flying</i>
<i>through, like, a time warp.</i>

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<i>It just had all these colors</i>
<i>just, like, shooting at me</i>

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<i>in a light show.</i>

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<i>And I found that I had</i>
<i>zero control over my body.</i>

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<i>Like, no matter how hard</i>
<i>I tried,</i>

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<i>I couldn't move my arms,</i>
<i>my legs, nothing.</i>

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<i>And so I really started to</i>
<i>kind of have a panic attack</i>

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<i>because I didn't know</i>
<i>what was going on.</i>

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<i>I thought I was dead.</i>

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<i>I thought it was like</i>
<i>a stroke or something.</i>

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<i>Nothing worked.</i>
<i>I couldn't move.</i>

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<i>I had no control over anything.</i>

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<i>Finally I decided, well,</i>

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<i>I'm just gonna try to build up</i>
<i>all the strength</i>

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<i>that I have in me</i>
<i>just to get myself</i>

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<i>to roll over onto my girlfriend</i>

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<i>hoping that it wakes her up.</i>

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<i>So it was just like</i>
<i>this last-ditch effort</i>

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<i>of everything I had,</i>

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<i>I just, like, wrenched my body.</i>

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<i>As soon as I flipped over</i>
<i>on top of her, I woke up.</i>

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<i>And I was still laying</i>
<i>in my original position</i>

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<i>like none of it had happened.</i>

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<i>I was just completely shocked.</i>

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<i>I had no idea</i>
<i>what was going on.</i>

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<i>I just did not know</i>
<i>what to make of it.</i>

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After that, it was like,
constantly,

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night after night after night,

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for a couple weeks,
maybe even a month or so.

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And...

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I just did not know
how to process it at the time.

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And so, finally, I told
my girlfriend about it.

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I was like, "okay,
this is what's happening to me."

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"I think I need
to go to the doctor."

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I think I'm having strokes,
like mini-strokes,

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or seizures maybe even,"
and she's like,

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"no, that's exactly
what happens to me.

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That's what I was trying
to tell you about."

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<i>I was about 29 years old.</i>

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<i>Mm-hmm.</i>

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<i>And here in this room,</i>

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<i>as I would lay down to sleep,</i>

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<i>I'd start feeling tingling</i>
<i>in my feet,</i>

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and then I would feel it
rise up my legs...

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Up my torso, on my hands,

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and I'd also hear buzzing.

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You know, like bees buzzing.

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That's when these episodes
would start.

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<i>I would feel tingling</i>
<i>and I would get...</i>

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<i>I'd feel the energy.</i>

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I felt that my mind was awake,
but my body was stiff.

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I'd try to move my head
from side to side.

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I just...
I couldn't move.

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<i>And in that moment,</i>

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<i>I would hear tapping</i>
<i>on the window.</i>

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They would tap here.
I would hear tapping.

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And I'm thinking, "well,
maybe It's just a squirrel"

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or a raccoon,"
but it was like a pattern.

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It was definitely a knock.

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And I would open my eyes,
and I'd look toward the window,

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and then it would stop.

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But after a while,

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I started feeling
an actual presence.

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And I would feel this presence
right next to me

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trying to take my soul out.

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It would torture me at night,
and I would try and fight it,

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<i>but I felt I was...</i>
<i>my body felt paralyzed.</i>

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It was just so strong
that I would just let go,

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and then I'd feel myself
floating in the air.

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And I could try and see myself,
but I would just see a blur.

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<i>And it happened</i>
<i>for many years, and...</i>

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when I was pregnant
with my daughter,

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and I felt the baby as well,
trying to come out.

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But I was trying to fight it,
and I was saying, "no, no."

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So I would pull back.
It's like If I would pull back.

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And it would pull, you know,
the other way.

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<i>When I was in</i>
<i>my mid to late 20s,</i>

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<i>I had a really awful breakup.</i>

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I was miserable because
I was so brokenhearted.

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And I started my first teaching
job around the same time,

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so I was super stressed-out
from that.

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I would just see this, like,
dark figure by the bookshelves,

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and I could not move,
and it was fucking terrifying.

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I didn't know
what was happening.

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I did think that somebody
had broken

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into my apartment at first,
because at that point,

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my roommate and I lived...
I had a roommate then...

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we lived on fourth street,

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and we were on the top floor
of the building.

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And our building
was really easy to get into.

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Like, the door in from
the balcony to our apartment

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didn't really lock,
so I think I was like,

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"Oh, fuck,
somebody actually broke in."

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To be lying there and know,
I want to move,

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and I'm trying to move,
and I cannot...

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<i>absolutely terrifying.</i>

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<i>I've always had a problem</i>
<i>with states of consciousness.</i>

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<i>Slipping in and out</i>

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<i>of different states</i>
<i>of consciousness.</i>

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And I do remember...

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When I was very, very young...

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two, three,
I was still in a crib.

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<i>And there was</i>
<i>a plug-in night light,</i>

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<i>and it was that orange</i>
<i>cast color.</i>

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<i>And it was all dark</i>
<i>except for that orange cast,</i>

179
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<i>and the room turned red,</i>

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<i>and I felt like something</i>
<i>was coming after me,</i>

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<i>and I cuddled down</i>
<i>and covered myself.</i>

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It was my earliest memory
of the scariness

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that happened to me
and continued to happen.

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<i>Laying down to go to sleep,</i>
<i>I would feel utterly exhausted,</i>

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<i>almost as If</i>
<i>I had just been drugged.</i>

186
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<i>I mean, you know,</i>
<i>having been in the hospital,</i>

187
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<i>I understand what that's like.</i>

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<i>It's just like</i>
<i>I had been injected.</i>

189
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<i>And my eyes sealed shut.</i>
<i>My mouth sealed shut.</i>

190
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<i>And It's as If everything</i>
<i>was shutting down,</i>

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<i>except for my awareness,</i>
<i>my consciousness.</i>

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<i>And then I could feel</i>
<i>a vibration.</i>

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<i>Sometimes it was so intense,</i>

194
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<i>it felt like</i>
<i>being electrocuted,</i>

195
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<i>but it was definitely</i>
<i>an electrical vibration.</i>

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<i>I began hearing voices</i>
<i>and screams</i>

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- <i> and crying...</i>

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<i>And all of this really</i>
<i>emotional drama,</i>

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<i>yelling to crying,</i>
<i>but all negative emotion,</i>

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<i>all of these different voices.</i>

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<i>And then that is when</i>
<i>the shadow man</i>

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<i>would come toward me.</i>

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<i>Stupid, stupid, stupid,</i>
<i>stupid, stupid! Stupid!</i>

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<i>And he looked just like</i>
<i>a three-dimensional shadow,</i>

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<i>outlined, just perfect.</i>

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<i>And he would walk...</i>
<i>Disjointed.</i>

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<i>And he brought</i>
<i>the vibration with him.</i>

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<i>It's as If</i>
<i>it was emanating from him.</i>

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<i>And he would come towards me,</i>
<i>and I would just feel that.</i>

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<i>Hear... hear...</i>

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<i>I would hear</i>
<i>all the sounds of hell...</i>

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<i>I don't know</i>
<i>any other way to put it...</i>

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<i>and feel his awful vibration.</i>

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<i>And I would have</i>
<i>a fight/flight response,</i>

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<i>and I would completely,</i>
<i>you know, freak out,</i>

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<i>and try to scream or get away.</i>

217
00:13:28,841 --> 00:13:32,377
<i>And many times,</i>
<i>the intensity just continued.</i>

218
00:13:32,379 --> 00:13:35,146
I was very scared,
and I was upstairs,

219
00:13:35,148 --> 00:13:37,182
and I didn't feel like anybody
was gonna get to me

220
00:13:37,184 --> 00:13:39,017
If I screamed.

221
00:13:39,019 --> 00:13:41,052
It's very dark.

222
00:13:41,054 --> 00:13:43,922
And it scared me forever.

223
00:13:43,924 --> 00:13:47,292
I mean, it really scared me
to the end of my wits.

224
00:13:47,294 --> 00:13:50,128
And If anything
was gonna drive me insane,

225
00:13:50,130 --> 00:13:51,996
it was gonna be that.

226
00:13:59,038 --> 00:14:02,941
What happens is
when you're falling asleep,

227
00:14:02,943 --> 00:14:04,909
You'll get an electrical shock
through your body

228
00:14:04,911 --> 00:14:08,213
just as you're falling asleep,
and that's the usual indication

229
00:14:08,215 --> 00:14:10,248
that you're gonna have
a visit that night.

230
00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:14,252
<i>Then You'll fall asleep,</i>

231
00:14:14,254 --> 00:14:17,555
<i>and then You'll wake up,</i>
<i>and you're totally paralyzed,</i>

232
00:14:17,557 --> 00:14:19,123
<i>you can't move.</i>

233
00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:23,194
Um, and...
There's static in the room.

234
00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:27,599
And you're being visited.
They'll circle your bed,

235
00:14:27,601 --> 00:14:30,134
and now and again,
They'll try and touch you.

236
00:14:30,136 --> 00:14:34,606
<i>The first one</i>
<i>is a generic shadow person,</i>

237
00:14:34,608 --> 00:14:37,909
<i>which is just basically</i>
<i>an outline of me and you</i>

238
00:14:37,911 --> 00:14:41,079
<i>on a sunny day,</i>
<i>on the pavement,</i>

239
00:14:41,081 --> 00:14:44,315
<i>on the sidewalk</i>
<i>in a 3-d form.</i>

240
00:14:47,386 --> 00:14:50,622
<i>And the second...</i>

241
00:14:50,624 --> 00:14:53,992
<i>the second entity,</i>
<i>which is the hat man,</i>

242
00:14:53,994 --> 00:14:56,361
<i>seems to have a direct link</i>
<i>to them.</i>

243
00:14:56,363 --> 00:15:00,265
<i>He's... he's a very</i>
<i>authoritarian figure.</i>

244
00:15:00,267 --> 00:15:02,300
<i>He's very menacing.</i>

245
00:15:02,302 --> 00:15:05,370
<i>He's very...</i>

246
00:15:05,372 --> 00:15:08,206
<i>he's in charge of them.</i>

247
00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:10,008
<i>His minions, so to speak.</i>

248
00:15:10,010 --> 00:15:12,644
<i>And, um...</i>

249
00:15:12,646 --> 00:15:15,179
<i>They're a team.</i>
<i>It's hell.</i>

250
00:15:15,181 --> 00:15:19,217
He's awful, awful, awful.

251
00:15:19,219 --> 00:15:21,953
It all starts with that
electrical shock.

252
00:15:39,171 --> 00:15:41,172
I have my two separate lives.

253
00:15:41,174 --> 00:15:43,341
I have my life like
we're here talking about it,

254
00:15:43,343 --> 00:15:45,410
and It's cool and I go to work.

255
00:15:45,412 --> 00:15:47,245
Then when I go to bed,

256
00:15:47,247 --> 00:15:50,114
I have this whole other life
that I have to deal with.

257
00:15:50,116 --> 00:15:52,116
When it first started,
it was pretty intermittent.

258
00:15:52,118 --> 00:15:53,484
It wasn't every day.

259
00:15:53,486 --> 00:15:58,389
Don't know the age.
Around this time.

260
00:15:58,391 --> 00:16:00,725
<i>My brother didn't live</i>
<i>with us anymore,</i>

261
00:16:00,727 --> 00:16:03,194
<i>and I had my room</i>
<i>all to myself.</i>

262
00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:06,998
<i>It's kind of funny</i>
<i>'cause I can remember</i>

263
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,134
<i>my bed had collapsed,</i>

264
00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:13,271
<i>onto a box of beanie babies</i>
<i>that my mom collected.</i>

265
00:16:13,273 --> 00:16:14,739
<i>My mom was a big collector.</i>

266
00:16:14,741 --> 00:16:18,009
<i>And so my bed kind of pivots,</i>
<i>right?</i>

267
00:16:18,011 --> 00:16:19,978
<i>On top of this thing</i>
<i>there's a frame,</i>

268
00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:21,679
<i>the bed pivoting.</i>

269
00:16:21,681 --> 00:16:24,449
<i>And I remember</i>
<i>the bed was pivoted,</i>

270
00:16:24,451 --> 00:16:26,718
<i>on this particular night,</i>

271
00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,020
<i>with my feet</i>
<i>closer to the ground</i>

272
00:16:29,022 --> 00:16:31,756
<i>and my head higher up,</i>
<i>like a seesaw.</i>

273
00:16:31,758 --> 00:16:35,193
<i>And I remember</i>
<i>the paralysis starts,</i>

274
00:16:35,195 --> 00:16:38,763
<i>and I can see the door frame.</i>

275
00:16:38,765 --> 00:16:42,433
<i>Like I can see...</i>
<i>I'm looking directly at...</i>

276
00:16:42,435 --> 00:16:44,168
<i>you know,</i>
<i>I'm looking at a wall,</i>

277
00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:46,170
<i>and the door is right here.</i>

278
00:16:46,172 --> 00:16:50,108
<i>So, here's a bed, there's me,</i>
<i>then straight forward,</i>

279
00:16:50,110 --> 00:16:51,709
<i>there's the door that exits,</i>
<i>right?</i>

280
00:16:51,711 --> 00:16:54,112
And there's the light
from the hallway.

281
00:16:54,114 --> 00:16:57,315
<i>And I remember seeing,</i>
<i>you know,</i>

282
00:16:57,317 --> 00:16:59,317
<i>your traditional darkness,</i>
<i>your, you know,</i>

283
00:16:59,319 --> 00:17:02,420
<i>everything kind of exists</i>
<i>in shadows.</i>

284
00:17:02,422 --> 00:17:06,357
<i>I mean, it all looks like</i>
<i>It's moving.</i>

285
00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,459
<i>All the darkness looks alive.</i>

286
00:17:45,497 --> 00:17:49,700
<i>But I remember seeing...</i>

287
00:17:49,702 --> 00:17:53,471
<i>People, beings, whatever,</i>
<i>just coming in.</i>

288
00:17:53,473 --> 00:17:56,074
<i>They just...</i>
<i>they look...</i>

289
00:17:56,076 --> 00:17:57,542
<i>they look like a...</i>

290
00:17:57,544 --> 00:18:00,178
<i>If a person were to walk</i>
<i>in front of a light,</i>

291
00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:02,180
<i>and their shadow</i>
<i>were to follow them,</i>

292
00:18:02,182 --> 00:18:05,149
<i>they looked like an almost...</i>

293
00:18:05,151 --> 00:18:07,485
<i>more shadow-like version</i>
<i>of a shadow.</i>

294
00:18:07,487 --> 00:18:09,654
Like... and kind of...

295
00:18:11,790 --> 00:18:15,126
Just...
Didn't do anything.

296
00:18:15,128 --> 00:18:19,197
Like, I remember now, um,

297
00:18:19,199 --> 00:18:22,500
that they would... they just...
shadows moving in,

298
00:18:22,502 --> 00:18:25,570
<i>like, they would</i>
<i>kind of intersect the light.</i>

299
00:18:25,572 --> 00:18:29,107
<i>I actually... I remember this</i>
<i>kind of well now,</i>

300
00:18:29,109 --> 00:18:31,843
<i>because I was on</i>
<i>this weird tilt,</i>

301
00:18:31,845 --> 00:18:33,811
so it wasn't just me
looking up,

302
00:18:33,813 --> 00:18:35,546
or, like, being able
to kind of see around.

303
00:18:35,548 --> 00:18:37,682
This was me looking
straight at the door.

304
00:18:37,684 --> 00:18:42,153
<i>And just seeing these things.</i>

305
00:18:42,155 --> 00:18:45,890
<i>I remember in the paralysis,</i>
<i>I thought that they were real.</i>

306
00:18:45,892 --> 00:18:47,792
I always think they're real.

307
00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:49,694
Even to this day,
I think these things are real

308
00:18:49,696 --> 00:18:53,164
in some sense, um...

309
00:18:53,166 --> 00:18:55,833
But when I woke up,
they weren't there.

310
00:18:55,835 --> 00:18:58,803
It was definitely
the first time

311
00:18:58,805 --> 00:19:03,207
that I saw something
that made think

312
00:19:03,209 --> 00:19:07,445
that this was more
than just a sleep disorder.

313
00:19:17,823 --> 00:19:20,324
I do remember it happening

314
00:19:20,326 --> 00:19:24,395
as far back
as when I was a little girl.

315
00:19:24,397 --> 00:19:27,198
As far back as maybe
five or six years old.

316
00:19:31,770 --> 00:19:34,305
<i>And then</i>
<i>the same thing happened</i>

317
00:19:34,307 --> 00:19:36,207
<i>when I was about 15.</i>

318
00:19:40,445 --> 00:19:42,880
During that time,
I was a rebellious teenager,

319
00:19:42,882 --> 00:19:47,351
so I was really out of control
and feeling, like,

320
00:19:47,353 --> 00:19:49,220
<i>unloved and stuff.</i>

321
00:19:49,222 --> 00:19:52,490
<i>I don't know how</i>
<i>I got that way,</i>

322
00:19:52,492 --> 00:19:55,426
<i>but it was kind of like</i>
<i>a brokenness inside,</i>

323
00:19:55,428 --> 00:19:58,496
<i>like, I was just broken,</i>
<i>spiritually broken.</i>

324
00:19:58,498 --> 00:20:00,898
<i>And that time,</i>

325
00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:03,768
<i>I was in a two-story home</i>
<i>in torrance,</i>

326
00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:05,336
<i>the city of torrance.</i>

327
00:20:08,907 --> 00:20:10,841
<i>It was in the middle</i>
<i>of the night,</i>

328
00:20:10,843 --> 00:20:12,610
<i>but I was wide awake.</i>

329
00:20:12,612 --> 00:20:14,512
<i>I was literally wide awake.</i>
<i>My eyes were open.</i>

330
00:20:14,514 --> 00:20:16,914
<i>But I could now feel</i>
<i>this presence,</i>

331
00:20:16,916 --> 00:20:19,217
<i>this evil presence behind me.</i>

332
00:20:22,788 --> 00:20:26,357
Lying on my side,
like on my left side...

333
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,292
I'm a side sleeper...

334
00:20:28,294 --> 00:20:31,229
and then the door is behind me.

335
00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:36,367
<i>And... and then</i>
<i>I could feel the presence</i>

336
00:20:36,369 --> 00:20:38,936
<i>just right behind me.</i>

337
00:20:38,938 --> 00:20:41,405
<i>And I remember</i>
<i>just trying to...</i>

338
00:20:41,407 --> 00:20:43,841
<i>wanting to move</i>
<i>and turn around,</i>

339
00:20:43,843 --> 00:20:46,310
<i>but I could not lift a finger.</i>

340
00:20:46,312 --> 00:20:49,347
<i>Again, it was...</i>
<i>I was just frozen...</i>

341
00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:51,816
<i>Utterly in terror.</i>

342
00:20:51,818 --> 00:20:53,584
<i>And it was the...</i>

343
00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:56,454
<i>If I could describe</i>
<i>what death would feel like...</i>

344
00:20:58,323 --> 00:21:00,024
and It's a kind of horror

345
00:21:00,026 --> 00:21:02,960
that is worse
than like in the movies.

346
00:21:02,962 --> 00:21:07,298
Um, It's an icy-cold,
kind of dark

347
00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:10,334
<i>evil something's in the room,</i>

348
00:21:10,336 --> 00:21:11,836
<i>and It's watching me.</i>

349
00:21:11,838 --> 00:21:13,604
<i>That's the scary part.</i>

350
00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:16,507
<i>That you feel a sense</i>
<i>that It's watching you.</i>

351
00:21:16,509 --> 00:21:17,875
<i>And It's... and It's...</i>

352
00:21:17,877 --> 00:21:20,878
and It's making
you feel afraid.

353
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,414
And it wants you
to feel afraid.

354
00:21:33,558 --> 00:21:36,460
I was a year and a half old,
probably.

355
00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:42,433
And I was born and raised
in rural Vermont

356
00:21:42,435 --> 00:21:45,603
in an old farmhouse about 100,
100-plus years old,

357
00:21:45,605 --> 00:21:47,872
and I was in the middle
of the woods.

358
00:21:47,874 --> 00:21:51,509
Um, so it was very dark
and very quiet,

359
00:21:51,511 --> 00:21:53,711
<i>just pitch silence,</i>

360
00:21:53,713 --> 00:21:55,880
<i>which, you know,</i>
<i>itself kind of has a sound.</i>

361
00:21:55,882 --> 00:21:58,816
Um, and...

362
00:21:58,818 --> 00:22:00,618
so here I am, I'm a baby.

363
00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:03,454
I wake up and I can't move.

364
00:22:03,456 --> 00:22:05,723
I'm in my crib.

365
00:22:05,725 --> 00:22:09,460
And so I'm surrounded
by the bars

366
00:22:09,462 --> 00:22:11,462
of the crib on all sides.

367
00:22:11,464 --> 00:22:15,366
And above me,
at the end of the crib,

368
00:22:15,368 --> 00:22:17,034
before the window,

369
00:22:17,036 --> 00:22:20,638
<i>are two anthropomorphic...</i>

370
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,474
<i>Kind of, beings, I guess.</i>

371
00:22:23,476 --> 00:22:27,812
Uh, best word to describe them.

372
00:22:27,814 --> 00:22:29,780
I still remember them vividly

373
00:22:29,782 --> 00:22:32,450
because It's actually
my first memory.

374
00:22:32,452 --> 00:22:34,051
So in a way,

375
00:22:34,053 --> 00:22:37,021
It's kind of
my awakening into the world.

376
00:22:38,790 --> 00:22:40,524
Dark.

377
00:22:40,526 --> 00:22:42,526
They always
just look so cartoony.

378
00:22:42,528 --> 00:22:47,498
I've tried to draw them before,
and it just looks so goofy.

379
00:22:50,737 --> 00:22:55,539
It just doesn't have, uh,
the same malevolent impact.

380
00:22:55,541 --> 00:22:59,076
And their skin, um,

381
00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:02,079
was like television static.

382
00:23:02,081 --> 00:23:04,815
Um, you know, it had,
you know...

383
00:23:04,817 --> 00:23:07,151
like an old TV,
when the signal's...

384
00:23:07,153 --> 00:23:09,620
when you're not getting
a good signal.

385
00:23:09,622 --> 00:23:11,522
It had that same kind of
texture,

386
00:23:11,524 --> 00:23:13,457
<i>that kind of...</i>

387
00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:24,535
they were tall, kind of thin,

388
00:23:24,537 --> 00:23:28,672
these kind of thin limbs
and these long fingers.

389
00:23:28,674 --> 00:23:31,075
And they had
these very simple faces,

390
00:23:31,077 --> 00:23:34,111
almost cartoonish faces of,
you know,

391
00:23:34,113 --> 00:23:38,616
these two inky eyes
and this big inky smile

392
00:23:38,618 --> 00:23:40,718
on their face that's kind of...

393
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,655
It's tickling, tickling,
tickling fingers,

394
00:23:44,657 --> 00:23:47,024
these, like, long, slender...

395
00:23:47,026 --> 00:23:49,894
they were laughing.

396
00:23:49,896 --> 00:23:52,963
And here's my little feet,
you know.

397
00:23:55,667 --> 00:23:59,637
They were tickling me.
And, you know, I was paralyzed.

398
00:23:59,639 --> 00:24:01,906
I couldn't move,
and I couldn't stop them.

399
00:24:01,908 --> 00:24:03,641
<i>And they were laughing</i>
<i>about it.</i>

400
00:24:03,643 --> 00:24:05,676
There was kind of like laughter.
Like, ah-ha-ha.

401
00:24:05,678 --> 00:24:07,144
They were, like, there,
you know?

402
00:24:07,146 --> 00:24:09,013
And bars,

403
00:24:09,015 --> 00:24:11,782
these two anthropomorphic
things, the windows.

404
00:24:19,958 --> 00:24:22,626
You know,
according to my parents...

405
00:24:22,628 --> 00:24:26,063
<i>but I kept on repeating</i>
<i>the words "zines."</i>

406
00:24:26,065 --> 00:24:29,900
Like, z-I-n-e-s,
over and over again

407
00:24:29,902 --> 00:24:31,836
in like kind of a panic.

408
00:24:31,838 --> 00:24:33,904
Kind of like,
"zines, zines, zines,"

409
00:24:33,906 --> 00:24:35,539
you know, like,
hanging on to them.

410
00:24:35,541 --> 00:24:39,710
And so maybe as a child,
you know,

411
00:24:39,712 --> 00:24:41,812
seeing these kind
of anthropomorphic

412
00:24:41,814 --> 00:24:46,750
sort of not human but human...
uh...

413
00:24:52,123 --> 00:24:54,825
So I wouldn't sleep
in my crib again.

414
00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:57,928
My parents tried
to put me in my crib,

415
00:24:57,930 --> 00:24:59,129
and I just wouldn't do it.

416
00:24:59,131 --> 00:25:00,731
I would just scream and scream

417
00:25:00,733 --> 00:25:03,033
and scream and scream
and scream.

418
00:25:03,035 --> 00:25:05,069
I made this
as a Halloween costume

419
00:25:05,071 --> 00:25:07,872
some years ago.

420
00:25:07,874 --> 00:25:11,075
Now you're staring
into my childhood right now.

421
00:25:11,077 --> 00:25:13,978
I don't know.
Is it scary?

422
00:25:29,594 --> 00:25:32,563
<i>Did you seek any medical help?</i>

423
00:25:32,565 --> 00:25:35,733
No, because I didn't think
I was going crazy.

424
00:25:35,735 --> 00:25:39,770
I knew what I was experiencing
was real.

425
00:25:39,772 --> 00:25:41,639
I didn't want someone else
to come and tell me,

426
00:25:41,641 --> 00:25:42,940
"well, no, that's not real."

427
00:25:42,942 --> 00:25:45,576
<i>Did you seek any kind of help?</i>

428
00:25:45,578 --> 00:25:47,678
<i>Did you try to do anything</i>
<i>to keep it from happening?</i>

429
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,148
Did I get an exorcist?
No, I did a Google search.

430
00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:54,051
<i>I got on the Internet</i>
<i>very early</i>

431
00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:57,655
<i>compared to most people,</i>
<i>in about '94 maybe.</i>

432
00:25:57,657 --> 00:26:00,591
<i>I'm totally guessing.</i>
<i>'94, '95.</i>

433
00:26:00,593 --> 00:26:02,593
<i>And one of the very</i>
<i>first things I looked up,</i>

434
00:26:02,595 --> 00:26:04,695
<i>was "the shadowman"</i>
<i>and "nightmare."</i>

435
00:26:04,697 --> 00:26:07,031
And from there,
in the search engines,

436
00:26:07,033 --> 00:26:09,733
it wasn't very far down
the page... sleep paralysis.

437
00:26:09,735 --> 00:26:12,069
<i>I was like, wait,</i>
<i>sleep frozen, sleep paralysis.</i>

438
00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:14,338
<i>And I called my mom up</i>
<i>right away.</i>

439
00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:16,807
<i>I said, "Oh, my gosh, mom,</i>
<i>It's sleep paralysis.</i>"

440
00:26:16,809 --> 00:26:19,944
<i>That's what they call it.</i>
<i>It's a thing."</i>

441
00:26:19,946 --> 00:26:22,046
She was very excited, too,

442
00:26:22,048 --> 00:26:24,148
and she wanted to understand
more about it because she felt

443
00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:27,117
that maybe something medical
could be done

444
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,886
so that we no longer had it.

445
00:26:28,888 --> 00:26:30,888
Because when the scientists
figure it out,

446
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:33,123
they figure out a medicine
to go with it, right?

447
00:26:33,125 --> 00:26:37,027
So we felt that we would
actually have answers

448
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:39,897
and medication or something
to make it better.

449
00:26:39,899 --> 00:26:42,900
I called a doctor
and made an appointment

450
00:26:42,902 --> 00:26:45,769
and came in, and explained
to them what was going on,

451
00:26:45,771 --> 00:26:49,373
and my doctor said...
she was kind of concerned

452
00:26:49,375 --> 00:26:52,076
that maybe I was having seizures
while I was sleeping.

453
00:26:52,078 --> 00:26:56,780
So she set me up for a cat scan,
an eeg and all that.

454
00:26:56,782 --> 00:26:58,616
So I went in for those,

455
00:26:58,618 --> 00:27:02,920
and my results
for the cat scan were normal,

456
00:27:02,922 --> 00:27:07,625
but the eeg came back with...
said I had abnormal results.

457
00:27:07,627 --> 00:27:08,926
That's all she said.

458
00:27:08,928 --> 00:27:11,795
"You have
some abnormal readings."

459
00:27:11,797 --> 00:27:14,698
"You have sleep paralysis.
It's just caused by stress."

460
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:16,667
So If you just make
some lifestyle changes,

461
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:18,135
"it'll go away."

462
00:27:18,137 --> 00:27:23,340
Well, you get a cut-and-paste
answer from doctors,

463
00:27:23,342 --> 00:27:27,077
"you're stressed.
Change your lifestyle,"

464
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,380
without asking
what your lifestyle is.

465
00:27:29,382 --> 00:27:31,348
There's no answer.

466
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:35,386
It's just a dismissal of...
basically, they don't know.

467
00:27:35,388 --> 00:27:36,987
And If they don't know,

468
00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:39,056
then they don't...
they don't care.

469
00:27:39,058 --> 00:27:42,359
Every time I would talk
to a psychiatrist, I'd be like,

470
00:27:42,361 --> 00:27:44,728
"I'm having this sleep problem.
This is what happens.

471
00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:47,398
This what it feels like."
They'd be like, "okay, okay.

472
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,367
Tell me about, like, you know,
how are you doing at home?"

473
00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:52,102
And I would always try to be
like, "no, no, no",

474
00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:56,173
let's talk about this hideous
sleep problem I have."

475
00:27:56,175 --> 00:27:59,376
She seemed really interested.
She sort of leans in.

476
00:27:59,378 --> 00:28:01,011
And she's like,
"It's not sleep apnea."

477
00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:02,780
And I was like, "I know that."

478
00:28:02,782 --> 00:28:05,416
And she just said,
"that's really messed up."

479
00:28:24,335 --> 00:28:26,870
<i>I remember, like,</i>
<i>the following night</i>

480
00:28:26,872 --> 00:28:29,940
<i>after it would happen,</i>
<i>I'd lay in bed being so scared</i>

481
00:28:29,942 --> 00:28:31,909
<i>that it was gonna happen again.</i>

482
00:28:31,911 --> 00:28:34,845
<i>And then, most assuredly,</i>
<i>it would happen again</i>

483
00:28:34,847 --> 00:28:37,414
<i>'cause I was thinking about it</i>
<i>and obsessing about it.</i>

484
00:28:37,416 --> 00:28:40,484
Like, when I'd go through
these dry spells,

485
00:28:40,486 --> 00:28:42,152
basically,
where I wasn't having it,

486
00:28:42,154 --> 00:28:44,088
If I started telling somebody
about it,

487
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:46,457
then it was, like,
almost 100% guaranteed

488
00:28:46,459 --> 00:28:48,392
that I was gonna
have it that night.

489
00:28:51,429 --> 00:28:53,163
This is in
our college apartment.

490
00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:56,333
<i>Okay.</i>
- So, I was here.

491
00:29:06,444 --> 00:29:10,347
<i>I had my bed right here...</i>

492
00:29:10,349 --> 00:29:13,484
<i>And then my roommate</i>
<i>was right here.</i>

493
00:29:18,056 --> 00:29:19,490
<i>And the blobs...</i>

494
00:29:19,492 --> 00:29:22,059
I saw these black blobs...

495
00:29:23,995 --> 00:29:26,864
<i>I could see them.</i>

496
00:29:26,866 --> 00:29:30,434
<i>Blobs of black,</i>
<i>coming onto my bed.</i>

497
00:29:45,817 --> 00:29:49,987
<i>And I could see my roommate,</i>
<i>just in the corner over there,</i>

498
00:29:49,989 --> 00:29:52,356
<i>and I was trying</i>
<i>to scream her name</i>

499
00:29:52,358 --> 00:29:54,825
<i>so that she could help me.</i>

500
00:29:54,827 --> 00:29:58,462
<i>And she's sleeping away,</i>
<i>and I'm straining to talk.</i>

501
00:29:58,464 --> 00:30:00,397
<i>And nothing can come out.</i>

502
00:30:17,215 --> 00:30:21,952
<i>I'm a diver,</i>
<i>and I've experienced...</i>

503
00:30:21,954 --> 00:30:24,855
<i>well, been close to death</i>
<i>quite a few times.</i>

504
00:30:24,857 --> 00:30:27,424
I'm a deep diver,
but nothing's as terrifying,

505
00:30:27,426 --> 00:30:28,859
as what happens,

506
00:30:28,861 --> 00:30:30,861
and I have it once
or twice a week.

507
00:30:30,863 --> 00:30:33,163
<i>When I was about 10</i>
<i>is when it started to happen,</i>

508
00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:35,999
<i>every single solitary day</i>
<i>of my life.</i>

509
00:30:36,001 --> 00:30:38,569
Nobody ever really took me
entirely seriously, you know,

510
00:30:38,571 --> 00:30:42,105
even though
I was a petrified little boy,

511
00:30:42,107 --> 00:30:45,309
you know, terrified to be alone,
hated my bedroom,

512
00:30:45,311 --> 00:30:49,847
hated the room below my bedroom,
and had sleep paralysis

513
00:30:49,849 --> 00:30:52,015
<i>probably every night.</i>

514
00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:54,218
<i>You know,</i>
<i>had voices talking to me</i>

515
00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:57,087
in the sleep paralysis,
very abusive experiences.

516
00:30:57,089 --> 00:30:58,989
<i>Hey, forrest.</i>

517
00:30:58,991 --> 00:31:01,959
<i>- Hey, forrest.</i>
<i>- Hey, forrest.</i>

518
00:31:01,961 --> 00:31:06,897
<i>You just won the</i>
<i>giant insect of the month club.</i>

519
00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:09,600
<i>Insect of the month club.</i>

520
00:31:09,602 --> 00:31:14,972
<i>We're sending your first prize</i>
<i>up to your bedroom right now.</i>

521
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:21,912
You know, and again,
it goes back to the fact that,

522
00:31:21,914 --> 00:31:24,047
you know, because it wasn't
like a real experience...

523
00:31:24,049 --> 00:31:26,049
If somebody had come
into my bedroom,

524
00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:29,019
and some creepy guy was
whispering to me every night,

525
00:31:29,021 --> 00:31:30,320
you know,
my parents would definitely

526
00:31:30,322 --> 00:31:32,089
have done something about it,

527
00:31:32,091 --> 00:31:34,925
but the farthest they went
was kind of being like,

528
00:31:34,927 --> 00:31:37,928
"well, maybe we should take him
to a psychologist? No."

529
00:31:40,665 --> 00:31:43,166
<i>I was trying to fall asleep.</i>

530
00:31:43,168 --> 00:31:47,638
<i>I felt this overwhelming</i>
<i>pressure come over me.</i>

531
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,607
And my breathing just stopped.

532
00:31:58,650 --> 00:32:01,919
<i>My body was trying</i>
<i>to kind of tell me,</i>

533
00:32:01,921 --> 00:32:03,921
<i>"I'm gonna kill myself now.</i>

534
00:32:03,923 --> 00:32:06,957
<i>And you have the option</i>
<i>to stop that."</i>

535
00:32:11,229 --> 00:32:13,964
<i>If I want to continue</i>
<i>to breathe,</i>

536
00:32:13,966 --> 00:32:17,634
<i>I have to actively override</i>
<i>whatever else is going on.</i>

537
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:21,338
<i>I have two options...</i>

538
00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:23,407
<i>either try to break free</i>
<i>of the paralysis</i>

539
00:32:23,409 --> 00:32:26,109
<i>or I breathe.</i>

540
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:30,147
You know, that was
kind of the beginning,

541
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:34,952
and that was the beginning
of me being afraid of,

542
00:32:34,954 --> 00:32:38,021
not going to sleep,
but, you know,

543
00:32:38,023 --> 00:32:41,124
I would just pressure myself,
to wait till exhaustion

544
00:32:41,126 --> 00:32:42,960
to fall asleep,
for the most part,

545
00:32:42,962 --> 00:32:47,030
'cause after that,
it just never stopped,

546
00:32:47,032 --> 00:32:49,333
um... kind of ever.

547
00:32:49,335 --> 00:32:54,137
<i>I'll get it</i>
<i>just about anywhere.</i>

548
00:32:54,139 --> 00:32:56,139
<i>Some places will be much worse.</i>

549
00:32:58,376 --> 00:33:01,578
<i>And the voice</i>
<i>is different by place.</i>

550
00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:12,055
Um... I had an apartment
in Boston.

551
00:33:12,057 --> 00:33:14,057
I lived in Jamaica plain
in Boston for a while

552
00:33:14,059 --> 00:33:15,759
above a pizza place,

553
00:33:15,761 --> 00:33:18,028
and I would always hear
this middle-aged woman

554
00:33:18,030 --> 00:33:19,763
singing in a baby's voice there,

555
00:33:23,135 --> 00:33:25,602
this gradually faded away

556
00:33:25,604 --> 00:33:27,337
until I pretty much
almost forgot

557
00:33:27,339 --> 00:33:30,040
I had ever experienced it.

558
00:33:30,042 --> 00:33:33,610
And I... thought I was good,
finally over.

559
00:33:33,612 --> 00:33:35,212
It was just a phase
I was going through,

560
00:33:35,214 --> 00:33:37,280
and now It's done.

561
00:33:37,282 --> 00:33:41,051
One afternoon,
I was up doing housework,

562
00:33:41,053 --> 00:33:43,086
and was kind of tired,

563
00:33:43,088 --> 00:33:45,288
and I figured
I'll lay down and take a nap,

564
00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:47,657
because I'm gonna go out with
some friends later on tonight.

565
00:33:47,659 --> 00:33:51,161
So I went, laid down,

566
00:33:51,163 --> 00:33:55,399
and set the alarm on my phone,
checked, saw the time,

567
00:33:55,401 --> 00:33:58,068
<i>and just kind of threw it</i>
<i>on the nightstand next to me,</i>

568
00:33:58,070 --> 00:34:00,203
and just laid down.

569
00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:04,641
And...
As I started to fall asleep,

570
00:34:04,643 --> 00:34:08,645
I felt, like, this tingling
sensation come over me,

571
00:34:08,647 --> 00:34:11,248
and since I had been
dealing with it so long,

572
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:12,816
it was kind of like
a familiar feeling,

573
00:34:12,818 --> 00:34:14,618
<i>it was like the warning sign,</i>

574
00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:17,320
<i>"okay, sleep paralysis</i>
<i>is about to happen."</i>

575
00:34:17,322 --> 00:34:20,357
Like, my body would tingle,
start to feel heavy.

576
00:34:20,359 --> 00:34:23,393
I'd see, like,
all these pixilated colors,

577
00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:26,797
and so I set myself up
to wake myself up,

578
00:34:26,799 --> 00:34:29,099
kind of shake it off.

579
00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:33,270
So then... it felt like
it went away.

580
00:34:33,272 --> 00:34:36,206
So I just, like,
picked up my phone,

581
00:34:36,208 --> 00:34:39,810
looked at the time,
okay, laid back down

582
00:34:39,812 --> 00:34:42,179
and started going to sleep.

583
00:34:42,181 --> 00:34:45,682
And just as I fell asleep,
my phone rang.

584
00:34:45,684 --> 00:34:48,652
- <i> And so I laid there</i>
<i>for a second.</i>

585
00:34:48,654 --> 00:34:51,788
<i>I was like, "do I answer it,</i>
<i>don't I answer it?"</i>

586
00:34:51,790 --> 00:34:53,356
<i>Just fell asleep,</i>

587
00:34:53,358 --> 00:34:55,092
<i>and now somebody's</i>
<i>waking me up.</i>

588
00:34:55,094 --> 00:34:56,393
<i>So finally, I gave in</i>
<i>and I answered it.</i>

589
00:34:56,395 --> 00:34:59,162
<i>I grabbed my phone.</i>
<i>"Hello?"</i>

590
00:34:59,164 --> 00:35:01,131
<i>When I did that,</i>

591
00:35:01,133 --> 00:35:04,701
<i>the person on the other end</i>
<i>of the line said, "hello,"</i>

592
00:35:04,703 --> 00:35:06,403
they said something else
I couldn't really make out

593
00:35:06,405 --> 00:35:08,805
'cause it was all staticky
and cutting out.

594
00:35:08,807 --> 00:35:11,575
<i>So I said,</i>
<i>"I can't understand you.</i>

595
00:35:11,577 --> 00:35:13,410
<i>You're breaking up.</i>
<i>There's a bad connection."</i>

596
00:35:13,412 --> 00:35:18,248
<i>I said, "hello," again,</i>
<i>and I was like,</i>

597
00:35:18,250 --> 00:35:22,319
<i>"you're breaking up.</i>
<i>I can't, like, hear you."</i>

598
00:35:22,321 --> 00:35:24,788
<i>And so, finally I...</i>

599
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:27,324
<i>trying to make out what</i>
<i>they were saying and whatnot.</i>

600
00:35:27,326 --> 00:35:30,827
<i>And I decided I'm up.</i>
<i>I'm gonna go get a cigarette.</i>

601
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:33,196
So, I got up,

602
00:35:33,198 --> 00:35:35,599
just talking to him,
like, "hello, hello?"

603
00:35:35,601 --> 00:35:38,702
<i>And then finally I'd walked</i>
<i>out into the living room,</i>

604
00:35:38,704 --> 00:35:41,338
and just as I got out
in the living room,

605
00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:44,674
<i>it became...</i>
<i>the connection cleared up</i>

606
00:35:44,676 --> 00:35:48,879
and the person on the other end
was this very pleasant man.

607
00:35:48,881 --> 00:35:50,680
He was like, "hello."

608
00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:53,183
<i>I was wondering</i>
<i>If you could do me a favor."</i>

609
00:35:53,185 --> 00:35:54,885
What kind of favor?

610
00:35:59,757 --> 00:36:02,159
<i>Let me in.</i>

611
00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:04,261
<i>I freaked out.</i>

612
00:36:04,263 --> 00:36:07,397
<i>I was, like, there's a demon</i>
<i>on the other end of my phone.</i>

613
00:36:07,399 --> 00:36:08,932
<i>I wanted nothing to</i>
<i>do with this.</i>

614
00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:11,368
<i>So I threw my phone</i>
<i>across the room</i>

615
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:13,637
<i>and it broke into pieces,</i>

616
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:17,407
<i>then everything around me</i>
<i>just went into complete chaos.</i>

617
00:36:17,409 --> 00:36:20,644
<i>Then just like...</i>
<i>almost like an earthquake hit.</i>

618
00:36:20,646 --> 00:36:23,647
<i>Like, everything was shaking</i>
<i>and dark.</i>

619
00:36:23,649 --> 00:36:25,782
<i>My whole body</i>
<i>started vibrating.</i>

620
00:36:25,784 --> 00:36:27,651
<i>It felt like</i>
<i>something was trying</i>

621
00:36:27,653 --> 00:36:30,787
<i>to rip me out of myself,</i>
<i>kind of like pull my soul out.</i>

622
00:36:34,392 --> 00:36:36,893
<i>You know,</i>
<i>just trying to process this,</i>

623
00:36:36,895 --> 00:36:38,795
<i>like, what's going on,</i>
<i>you know,</i>

624
00:36:38,797 --> 00:36:40,830
<i>just absolutely terrified.</i>

625
00:36:40,832 --> 00:36:43,733
<i>And so the only thing</i>
<i>I could think to do</i>

626
00:36:43,735 --> 00:36:45,535
<i>was I just started praying.</i>

627
00:36:45,537 --> 00:36:47,871
<i>I was, like, "God,</i>
<i>If you're there, help me.</i>"

628
00:36:47,873 --> 00:36:49,973
<i>I don't know what's happening.</i>

629
00:36:49,975 --> 00:36:51,942
<i>Just, please,</i>
<i>somebody help me."</i>

630
00:36:51,944 --> 00:36:54,678
<i>And as soon as I said that,</i>

631
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,280
I felt like somebody
just grabbed me from behind,

632
00:36:57,282 --> 00:37:00,383
just, like, yanked me back,
like, down the hall,

633
00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:02,819
and just, like,
slammed me back into my body.

634
00:37:02,821 --> 00:37:04,721
And, like, I hit my body,

635
00:37:04,723 --> 00:37:07,791
and I, like, sat up instantly
and, like, looked around,

636
00:37:07,793 --> 00:37:10,694
and was like,
"did that just happen?

637
00:37:10,696 --> 00:37:12,729
Was that real?"

638
00:37:12,731 --> 00:37:15,265
And so the first thing I did
was grab my phone, you know.

639
00:37:15,267 --> 00:37:17,767
I'm like looking through, "okay,
who did I just talk to?"

640
00:37:17,769 --> 00:37:20,704
And, like, no...
there was no missed calls

641
00:37:20,706 --> 00:37:23,740
or no answered calls or nothing,
and I looked at the time,

642
00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:25,909
and it had only been,
like, two minutes

643
00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:28,912
since I initially laid down
to go to sleep.

644
00:37:28,914 --> 00:37:31,881
Um, I did tell my mom,

645
00:37:31,883 --> 00:37:34,351
and she just
kind of told me I'm nuts.

646
00:37:34,353 --> 00:37:36,720
She's like, "it was a bad dream.
It happens all the time."

647
00:37:36,722 --> 00:37:39,789
"No, mom.
It wasn't a dream."

648
00:38:03,415 --> 00:38:07,717
<i>I was in seventh</i>
<i>or eighth grade,</i>

649
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,054
<i>about '87 or '88.</i>

650
00:38:11,056 --> 00:38:14,758
<i>And I saw "a nightmare</i>
<i>on elm street"</i>

651
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,662
<i>with my mother,</i>
<i>thank goodness, on cable.</i>

652
00:38:18,664 --> 00:38:20,664
<i>"And she was like, " Oh, my gosh!</i>

653
00:38:20,666 --> 00:38:23,300
<i>This is like our dreams,"</i>
<i>and I was like, "yeah, I know."</i>

654
00:38:23,302 --> 00:38:25,869
<i>So we definitely agreed</i>
<i>on that.</i>

655
00:38:25,871 --> 00:38:29,372
<i>And I kept watching it because</i>
<i>I wanted to find some clues,</i>

656
00:38:29,374 --> 00:38:31,841
<i>some answer</i>
<i>to what was going on.</i>

657
00:38:31,843 --> 00:38:34,077
<i>And of course, they mention</i>
<i>a little bit of myth</i>

658
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:37,714
<i>in the movie but not enough</i>
<i>to really research.</i>

659
00:38:37,716 --> 00:38:41,384
Did you ever read about
the balinese way of dreaming?

660
00:38:41,386 --> 00:38:43,987
No.

661
00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:46,890
They got this whole system
they call dream skills.

662
00:38:46,892 --> 00:38:49,059
They get all their art
and literature from dreams,

663
00:38:49,061 --> 00:38:50,860
just wake up and write it down.

664
00:38:50,862 --> 00:38:52,729
<i>Dream skills.</i>

665
00:38:52,731 --> 00:38:56,666
What If they made a monster
in their dreams, then what?

666
00:39:03,774 --> 00:39:07,577
When I was... you know,
we had hbo when I was little,

667
00:39:07,579 --> 00:39:10,480
and my dad was very liberal
with letting us

668
00:39:10,482 --> 00:39:12,749
watch whatever we wanted
to watch on hbo.

669
00:39:12,751 --> 00:39:18,388
<i>Once he was watching a movie,</i>
<i>and I just kind of wandered in.</i>

670
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:20,457
<i>I didn't really know</i>
<i>what the movie was.</i>

671
00:39:20,459 --> 00:39:23,360
<i>And then this, uh...</i>

672
00:39:23,362 --> 00:39:26,129
<i>Creature emerges</i>
<i>from behind a dresser.</i>

673
00:39:26,131 --> 00:39:28,398
<i>And It's like...</i>
<i>It's an alien.</i>

674
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,600
<i>And It's like the...</i>
<i>it was the movie "communion,"</i>

675
00:39:30,602 --> 00:39:33,470
<i>with...</i>
<i>what's his face?</i>

676
00:39:33,472 --> 00:39:35,372
<i>The guy</i>
<i>who was in the dancing video.</i>

677
00:39:35,374 --> 00:39:37,741
<i>I don't know.</i>
<i>Christopher walken.</i>

678
00:39:37,743 --> 00:39:40,844
<i>Yeah, exactly.</i>
<i>Christopher walken.</i>

679
00:39:40,846 --> 00:39:45,482
<i>And when I saw that face...</i>

680
00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:47,817
<i>My mind immediately drew</i>
<i>a parallel</i>

681
00:39:47,819 --> 00:39:50,453
<i>to the things I had experienced</i>
<i>as a child,</i>

682
00:39:50,455 --> 00:39:51,888
<i>and I was petrified.</i>

683
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:54,157
<i>I remember</i>
<i>just being petrified.</i>

684
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:56,526
<i>And...</i>
<i>and then, you know...</i>

685
00:39:56,528 --> 00:39:59,095
<i>but I stayed watching</i>
<i>as this, like, little kid.</i>

686
00:40:03,768 --> 00:40:06,169
<i>And, you know,</i>
<i>these images I remember</i>

687
00:40:06,171 --> 00:40:08,671
<i>as incredibly shocking images</i>
<i>to me, as a child.</i>

688
00:40:08,673 --> 00:40:10,140
<i>Because it was the first time</i>

689
00:40:10,142 --> 00:40:12,642
<i>that the kind of things</i>
<i>that I had seen</i>

690
00:40:12,644 --> 00:40:15,612
<i>aligned with something that...</i>

691
00:40:15,614 --> 00:40:19,149
<i>that was known about</i>
<i>or was explored.</i>

692
00:40:19,151 --> 00:40:20,917
A bunch of people came over,
and they're like,

693
00:40:20,919 --> 00:40:22,752
"let's watch this
'insidious' movie."

694
00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:24,654
And I was like,
"yeah, sure, why not?

695
00:40:24,656 --> 00:40:28,491
"I don't care," and, like...
about 20 minutes into the movie,

696
00:40:28,493 --> 00:40:31,494
<i>I'm like, "this is about sleep</i>
<i>paralysis, I'm pretty sure."</i>

697
00:40:31,496 --> 00:40:33,530
<i>I was like, "all right,</i>
<i>that's kind of cool.</i>"

698
00:40:33,532 --> 00:40:36,433
<i>Somebody made</i>
<i>a horror movie about it."</i>

699
00:40:36,435 --> 00:40:38,935
When, you know,
the dude's, like, in the chair,

700
00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:43,206
he just goes into this world,
and he's searching for the kid.

701
00:40:43,208 --> 00:40:45,208
<i>They're pulling from</i>
<i>so many different parts</i>

702
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:47,544
<i>of sleep paralysis lore.</i>

703
00:40:47,546 --> 00:40:49,512
<i>The shadow man.</i>

704
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:56,653
<i>I kept leaving my body.</i>

705
00:40:56,655 --> 00:40:59,722
<i>The night hag.</i>
<i>The old hag.</i>

706
00:40:59,724 --> 00:41:03,593
I sat there and, like,
just kind of getting annoyed.

707
00:41:03,595 --> 00:41:05,662
I mean, I don't even know why.

708
00:41:05,664 --> 00:41:07,230
It wasn't like,
"this movie sucks!"

709
00:41:07,232 --> 00:41:09,699
I mean, it was...
it was okay.

710
00:41:09,701 --> 00:41:11,601
And then, all of a sudden,

711
00:41:11,603 --> 00:41:13,736
they do, like,
the head shaking thing,

712
00:41:13,738 --> 00:41:16,506
like this, like, weird...

713
00:41:16,508 --> 00:41:19,108
it was in "Jacob's ladder,"
and it freaked me out.

714
00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:21,110
I was like,
"that's exactly how it feels."

715
00:41:21,112 --> 00:41:25,114
And that was the first time
I ever...

716
00:41:25,116 --> 00:41:29,719
I saw somebody represent
what it feels like...

717
00:41:29,721 --> 00:41:32,255
or I guess,
not what it feels like...

718
00:41:32,257 --> 00:41:34,591
what it feels like
it looks like to be in it,

719
00:41:34,593 --> 00:41:36,693
like when I'm coming out,
like, sometimes

720
00:41:36,695 --> 00:41:38,495
<i>my jaw will, like,</i>

721
00:41:38,497 --> 00:41:40,597
<i>just fucking go back</i>
<i>and forth real quick,</i>

722
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,600
<i>or, like, my head will shoot</i>
<i>from side to side.</i>

723
00:41:43,602 --> 00:41:45,802
<i>And It's what I imagine</i>
<i>it looks like.</i>

724
00:41:45,804 --> 00:41:49,606
<i>Even my girlfriend,</i>
<i>she was like,</i>

725
00:41:49,608 --> 00:41:52,675
you know,
"those weird head movements,"

726
00:41:52,677 --> 00:41:55,845
like, that's kind of what It's
like for me to watch,

727
00:41:55,847 --> 00:41:59,282
"you know,
except not magically blurry."

728
00:41:59,284 --> 00:42:01,551
That's the sleep paralysis.
Hey, It's got to be.

729
00:42:01,553 --> 00:42:04,687
<i>Yeah, I had my own</i>
<i>sleep paralysis episode,</i>

730
00:42:04,689 --> 00:42:07,257
<i>and, well, in that one,</i>
<i>it was sort of like a classic</i>

731
00:42:07,259 --> 00:42:08,925
<i>three-dimensional,</i>
<i>black shadow man,</i>

732
00:42:08,927 --> 00:42:11,127
<i>who came up in the woods</i>
<i>behind my house,</i>

733
00:42:11,129 --> 00:42:13,897
<i>leaned over my bed.</i>

734
00:42:13,899 --> 00:42:17,233
<i>And I think</i>
<i>maybe a year or two later,</i>

735
00:42:17,235 --> 00:42:19,536
<i>I saw "natural born killers."</i>

736
00:42:19,538 --> 00:42:23,139
<i>And there's a scene,</i>
<i>and it goes by just in a flash,</i>

737
00:42:23,141 --> 00:42:27,210
<i>where that guy is, like,</i>
<i>in the opening credits,</i>

738
00:42:27,212 --> 00:42:31,848
<i>coming through, like,</i>
<i>this strange red tunnel,</i>

739
00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:33,917
<i>cloudy vortex thing.</i>

740
00:42:33,919 --> 00:42:37,587
<i>I think It's over the credit</i>
<i>of "producer arnon milchan."</i>

741
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:39,956
<i>But it went by in a flash,</i>

742
00:42:39,958 --> 00:42:42,325
<i>and it must have been</i>
<i>kind of complicated</i>

743
00:42:42,327 --> 00:42:44,193
<i>to call into existence.</i>

744
00:42:44,195 --> 00:42:46,229
<i>So I was like,</i>
<i>"why was that there?"</i>

745
00:42:46,231 --> 00:42:48,798
<i>And I still didn't know</i>
<i>what sleep paralysis was.</i>

746
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,334
I didn't know
that anyone else had had it.

747
00:42:51,336 --> 00:42:54,671
So I saw that and almost
kind of took it as a message,

748
00:42:54,673 --> 00:42:57,674
like, "the people
who made this film"

749
00:42:57,676 --> 00:42:59,909
had the same experience
that I did."

750
00:42:59,911 --> 00:43:04,347
And It's kind of
like a signal to me

751
00:43:04,349 --> 00:43:07,684
in some...
some strange, scary way.

752
00:43:07,686 --> 00:43:08,818
No, It's true.

753
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:10,353
It was kind of the same
as a child.

754
00:43:10,355 --> 00:43:11,688
It was very validating.

755
00:43:20,831 --> 00:43:23,700
I never thought it was
my mind playing tricks on me.

756
00:43:23,702 --> 00:43:26,936
I just knew something bad
was always happening to me.

757
00:43:26,938 --> 00:43:30,673
And I didn't... I didn't
know what to do about it.

758
00:43:30,675 --> 00:43:32,709
I've prayed my whole life.
I still pray.

759
00:43:32,711 --> 00:43:34,978
I'm a very spiritual person.

760
00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:37,714
However,
praying never made it go away,

761
00:43:37,716 --> 00:43:40,650
even when
I was within the attack.

762
00:43:40,652 --> 00:43:45,722
I would pray within the attack,
and still, no help.

763
00:43:45,724 --> 00:43:48,625
I started exercising,
started eating better,

764
00:43:48,627 --> 00:43:50,994
cut back on caffeine and doing
all that kind of stuff,

765
00:43:50,996 --> 00:43:54,831
and just no matter
what I did, though, it was...

766
00:43:54,833 --> 00:43:57,000
it had absolutely no effect
on the sleep paralysis,

767
00:43:57,002 --> 00:44:00,236
and it just kept happening
night after night after night.

768
00:44:00,238 --> 00:44:03,006
I finally decided
to go to one of these ladies

769
00:44:03,008 --> 00:44:05,942
that read cards, and she Says,

770
00:44:05,944 --> 00:44:07,877
"I can't look into your house."

771
00:44:07,879 --> 00:44:09,379
I'm trying to look
into your house,

772
00:44:09,381 --> 00:44:15,385
"but I see
this black shadow over it."

773
00:44:15,387 --> 00:44:17,220
<i>I thought</i>
<i>I was abducted by aliens</i>

774
00:44:17,222 --> 00:44:20,223
<i>for a long time, years,</i>
<i>years and years and years.</i>

775
00:44:20,225 --> 00:44:22,692
<i>Before I went to bed</i>
<i>every night,</i>

776
00:44:22,694 --> 00:44:25,061
<i>I would lay in my bed</i>
<i>and close my eyes</i>

777
00:44:25,063 --> 00:44:27,864
<i>and just pray,</i>
<i>"not tonight, not tonight,</i>

778
00:44:27,866 --> 00:44:30,266
<i>not tonight, not tonight,</i>
<i>not tonight, not tonight."</i>

779
00:44:30,268 --> 00:44:32,669
<i>And I would just repeat it over</i>
<i>and over and over in my head,</i>

780
00:44:32,671 --> 00:44:34,904
<i>as If I had some</i>
<i>kind of psychic bond</i>

781
00:44:34,906 --> 00:44:37,940
<i>with my alien abductors</i>

782
00:44:37,942 --> 00:44:41,744
<i>and that I could communicate</i>
<i>with them telepathically,</i>

783
00:44:41,746 --> 00:44:45,048
<i>and just plead with them,</i>
<i>to make tonight not the night</i>

784
00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:47,684
<i>that they would come back</i>
<i>and do that to me.</i>

785
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,155
<i>Over the years, I would find</i>

786
00:44:52,157 --> 00:44:55,091
<i>different mechanisms</i>
<i>to avoid sleep paralysis.</i>

787
00:44:55,093 --> 00:44:59,762
<i>I noticed that it wouldn't</i>
<i>happen every night</i>

788
00:44:59,764 --> 00:45:01,264
<i>If certain requirements</i>
<i>were met,</i>

789
00:45:01,266 --> 00:45:03,166
<i>like, If I would...</i>

790
00:45:03,168 --> 00:45:05,802
<i>like, there would be, like,</i>
<i>a TV in my room.</i>

791
00:45:05,804 --> 00:45:08,271
<i>And If I left it on,</i>
<i>for some reason</i>

792
00:45:08,273 --> 00:45:11,207
<i>it was easier for me not</i>
<i>to get hit by the paralysis.</i>

793
00:45:11,209 --> 00:45:14,077
And, you know,
younger me thought it was

794
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:15,912
maybe that little
high-pitched noise,

795
00:45:15,914 --> 00:45:17,780
tv's make
when you leave them on,

796
00:45:17,782 --> 00:45:19,782
so I would leave it on
overnight on mute

797
00:45:19,784 --> 00:45:21,484
for that little
high-pitched noise.

798
00:45:21,486 --> 00:45:24,754
<i>Eventually, that stopped</i>
<i>working after about a year.</i>

799
00:45:24,756 --> 00:45:26,789
<i>So I decided,</i>
<i>like, "you know what?</i>"

800
00:45:26,791 --> 00:45:29,492
<i>If one TV worked,</i>
<i>what about two?"</i>

801
00:45:29,494 --> 00:45:34,497
<i>And I used to collect junk,</i>
<i>so tv's, like, were plentiful.</i>

802
00:45:34,499 --> 00:45:37,400
<i>And two worked</i>
<i>for a little while.</i>

803
00:45:37,402 --> 00:45:41,070
<i>And I just escalated</i>
<i>with that for a while,</i>

804
00:45:41,072 --> 00:45:45,842
<i>'cause I'm pretty smart,</i>
<i>apparently.</i>

805
00:45:45,844 --> 00:45:49,378
<i>No, it made me look like</i>
<i>a crazy person until one day,</i>

806
00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:52,749
<i>I realized that</i>
<i>even If this was a problem,</i>

807
00:45:52,751 --> 00:45:55,518
<i>this was not a functional way</i>
<i>of, like, dealing with it.</i>

808
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,055
So I just removed all the tv's
at that point from my room,

809
00:45:59,057 --> 00:46:02,425
and, you know, all it did
was leave me

810
00:46:02,427 --> 00:46:06,095
with a much stronger and more
elaborate sleep paralysis.

811
00:46:06,097 --> 00:46:08,498
And that's kind of the thing
that I've realized

812
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:11,300
is If you have it every day

813
00:46:11,302 --> 00:46:13,770
and you have multiple episodes
a day,

814
00:46:13,772 --> 00:46:16,539
it will kind of learn
how to adapt to you.

815
00:46:16,541 --> 00:46:21,277
Like, If you try to, like,
avoid it, it will find you,

816
00:46:21,279 --> 00:46:23,846
and it will make it happen
somehow.

817
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:46,836
And another time,

818
00:46:46,838 --> 00:46:49,972
I actually felt it
go on the bed.

819
00:46:49,974 --> 00:46:51,808
You know, it was as If
It's climbing up.

820
00:46:51,810 --> 00:46:54,877
I was laying there,
and it came here.

821
00:46:54,879 --> 00:46:56,412
I just closed my eyes.

822
00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:15,898
<i>And it was on top of me,</i>

823
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:17,533
and it was...

824
00:47:17,535 --> 00:47:19,602
It's like I was
having sex with this thing.

825
00:47:31,615 --> 00:47:34,483
And I said, "Oh, my God,
this can't be real."

826
00:47:34,485 --> 00:47:36,552
This can't be real."

827
00:47:36,554 --> 00:47:39,088
This demonic thing,
and I don't know,

828
00:47:39,090 --> 00:47:40,623
why am I feeling this?

829
00:47:40,625 --> 00:47:43,426
What else is gonna happen next?
But it happened.

830
00:47:43,428 --> 00:47:45,094
<i>Did you see anything?</i>

831
00:47:45,096 --> 00:47:47,930
I didn't see anything.
It was just the feeling.

832
00:47:47,932 --> 00:47:49,632
And then it was gone again.

833
00:47:55,539 --> 00:47:58,941
A lot of firsts
all happened in one night.

834
00:47:58,943 --> 00:48:00,610
When the pain
started happening,

835
00:48:00,612 --> 00:48:02,178
the hallucinations
got more vivid,

836
00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:05,882
and I started to be able
to be interacted with.

837
00:48:10,654 --> 00:48:14,290
<i>And I go directly into this</i>
<i>very, you know, lucid dream.</i>

838
00:48:14,292 --> 00:48:18,361
<i>I remember the architecture</i>
<i>of this world,</i>

839
00:48:18,363 --> 00:48:22,164
<i>of this dream,</i>
<i>it was just very angular,</i>

840
00:48:22,166 --> 00:48:23,606
<i>and I'm just</i>
<i>kind of walking on it.</i>

841
00:48:26,670 --> 00:48:29,105
<i>There were, like, stairs</i>
<i>that went down to places</i>

842
00:48:29,107 --> 00:48:31,308
<i>that they should have thought</i>
<i>out a little bit better.</i>

843
00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:42,385
<i>As I was walking around,</i>

844
00:48:42,387 --> 00:48:45,321
<i>I remember a kid</i>
<i>that I was friends with</i>

845
00:48:45,323 --> 00:48:47,356
<i>growing up</i>
<i>in elementary school,</i>

846
00:48:47,358 --> 00:48:49,058
<i>my only friend</i>
<i>from elementary school</i>

847
00:48:49,060 --> 00:48:51,294
<i>comes up to me,</i>
<i>and his name was Danny.</i>

848
00:48:51,296 --> 00:48:56,198
<i>And behind him</i>
<i>is this gigantic dude</i>

849
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,336
<i>with really crazy orange hair.</i>

850
00:49:00,338 --> 00:49:04,407
<i>And Danny Says, "this is him.</i>
<i>Can I go now?"</i>

851
00:49:04,409 --> 00:49:06,108
<i>And he just leaves</i>
<i>the guy with me.</i>

852
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:13,683
<i>And he repeats,</i>
<i>"you know who I am."</i>

853
00:49:13,685 --> 00:49:17,320
<i>I start thinking of like,</i>
<i>I don't know you, I don't.</i>

854
00:49:17,322 --> 00:49:19,622
<i>I start listing places.</i>
<i>"Do I know you from school?</i>

855
00:49:19,624 --> 00:49:23,159
<i>"Do I know you</i>
<i>from McDonald's?"</i>

856
00:49:23,161 --> 00:49:25,061
<i>'Cause I used to work</i>
<i>at McDonald's.</i>

857
00:49:25,063 --> 00:49:27,163
<i>"Do I remember you from</i>
<i>the comic book depot?"</i>

858
00:49:27,165 --> 00:49:29,231
<i>Which was my comic book store.</i>

859
00:49:29,233 --> 00:49:31,667
<i>And he just keeps on going,</i>

860
00:49:31,669 --> 00:49:36,339
<i>"no. But you know who I am."</i>
<i>One last time.</i>

861
00:49:36,341 --> 00:49:39,041
<i>And then the entire world</i>
<i>just disappears,</i>

862
00:49:39,043 --> 00:49:42,111
<i>and I'm in the strongest</i>
<i>sleep-paralysis episode</i>

863
00:49:42,113 --> 00:49:43,245
<i>I've ever had in my life.</i>

864
00:49:43,247 --> 00:49:45,982
<i>Like, I cannot move.</i>

865
00:49:45,984 --> 00:49:48,150
<i>Like, I can't even</i>
<i>try to force myself out of it.</i>

866
00:49:48,152 --> 00:49:50,286
<i>Like, that little wiggle room</i>
<i>I get sometimes</i>

867
00:49:50,288 --> 00:49:52,288
<i>just wasn't there.</i>

868
00:49:52,290 --> 00:49:55,458
<i>And it felt like</i>
<i>I was completely constrained,</i>

869
00:49:55,460 --> 00:49:57,393
<i>you know, fully,</i>

870
00:49:57,395 --> 00:49:59,662
<i>to the point where</i>
<i>I'm just trying to breathe,</i>

871
00:49:59,664 --> 00:50:02,231
<i>because I don't know</i>
<i>what else to do.</i>

872
00:50:02,233 --> 00:50:04,433
<i>Immediately after that</i>
<i>dream drops,</i>

873
00:50:04,435 --> 00:50:07,203
<i>and everything's gone,</i>
<i>he kind of fizzles away.</i>

874
00:50:12,142 --> 00:50:14,710
<i>And this was the first</i>
<i>experience with pain.</i>

875
00:50:14,712 --> 00:50:16,212
<i>If I had to describe it,</i>

876
00:50:16,214 --> 00:50:18,481
<i>picture like</i>
<i>a claw-machine game.</i>

877
00:50:18,483 --> 00:50:22,051
<i>You know, three...</i>
<i>three little things.</i>

878
00:50:22,053 --> 00:50:24,020
And that's
when the pain starts coming.

879
00:50:34,131 --> 00:50:36,766
The worst one is when
It's around, like,

880
00:50:36,768 --> 00:50:38,234
you know, my fucking dick.

881
00:50:50,814 --> 00:50:53,816
<i>And I still felt the pain</i>
<i>after I woke up.</i>

882
00:50:56,453 --> 00:50:59,121
<i>I did not go</i>
<i>back to sleep that night,</i>

883
00:50:59,123 --> 00:51:00,823
<i>I remember,</i>
<i>and I think I just played</i>

884
00:51:00,825 --> 00:51:02,358
<i>video games until the morning</i>

885
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,293
<i>and kind of questioned</i>
<i>my existence.</i>

886
00:51:04,295 --> 00:51:06,362
<i>Like, I just remember</i>
<i>being like,</i>

887
00:51:06,364 --> 00:51:09,298
<i>"and this is different now,</i>
<i>and now it hurts,</i>

888
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:12,134
<i>and now there's</i>
<i>a dude talking to me."</i>

889
00:51:12,136 --> 00:51:14,403
<i>And, like, I...</i>

890
00:51:14,405 --> 00:51:17,239
<i>that was kind of when I started</i>
<i>to feel a little crazy.</i>

891
00:51:17,241 --> 00:51:20,476
<i>Like, I started to feel like</i>
<i>something was definitely wrong.</i>

892
00:51:20,478 --> 00:51:22,344
Was it me?
Maybe.

893
00:51:22,346 --> 00:51:24,480
Was it something supernatural?
Maybe.

894
00:51:24,482 --> 00:51:26,682
I immediately stopped
being an atheist.

895
00:51:30,754 --> 00:51:35,257
And sometimes
they're very, um... articulate,

896
00:51:35,259 --> 00:51:37,460
like that one was
when I was a little boy,

897
00:51:37,462 --> 00:51:39,395
and They'll be like,
"Oh, I can talk to you,

898
00:51:39,397 --> 00:51:42,231
and I know your name,"
and this and that.

899
00:51:42,233 --> 00:51:46,102
And sometimes, they're just,
like, gobbledygooking,

900
00:51:46,104 --> 00:51:47,870
just, "blah, blah, blah,"

901
00:51:47,872 --> 00:51:50,272
like they don't have
the capability to speak anymore.

902
00:51:50,274 --> 00:51:53,409
<i>When I was older and</i>
<i>I went back to the house</i>

903
00:51:53,411 --> 00:51:55,111
<i>and was staying there...</i>

904
00:51:55,113 --> 00:51:56,645
<i>I mean, I hated</i>
<i>going back to that house.</i>

905
00:51:56,647 --> 00:51:58,681
<i>You know, I had other</i>
<i>bad experiences there,</i>

906
00:51:58,683 --> 00:52:02,151
and so I hated going back there.
I hated sleeping there.

907
00:52:02,153 --> 00:52:03,886
I would usually...
If I go back there and visit,

908
00:52:03,888 --> 00:52:06,155
<i>I leave the TV on</i>

909
00:52:06,157 --> 00:52:08,624
<i>because It's just such</i>
<i>an overwhelming force.</i>

910
00:52:08,626 --> 00:52:11,160
So I fell asleep,
and I had this nightmare.

911
00:52:12,195 --> 00:52:13,562
And then I woke up,

912
00:52:13,564 --> 00:52:15,564
and then I woke up
in a sleep paralysis.

913
00:52:15,566 --> 00:52:17,566
<i>And I was like,</i>
<i>"Oh, hmm," you know?</i>

914
00:52:17,568 --> 00:52:19,535
<i>But I was so put off</i>
<i>by the dream</i>

915
00:52:19,537 --> 00:52:21,403
<i>that I wasn't immediately</i>
<i>shocked by the state</i>

916
00:52:21,405 --> 00:52:24,306
<i>of sleep paralysis,</i>
<i>which normally is what it does.</i>

917
00:52:24,308 --> 00:52:26,242
<i>And I can kind of see it</i>
<i>out of the corner of my eyes,</i>

918
00:52:26,244 --> 00:52:27,576
<i>that there was this man</i>

919
00:52:27,578 --> 00:52:29,278
<i>standing down</i>
<i>at the end of my bed,</i>

920
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,514
<i>kind of like</i>
<i>this schlumpy old man.</i>

921
00:52:35,185 --> 00:52:37,486
That's too young
for some reason.

922
00:52:37,488 --> 00:52:39,355
Maybe It's his posture.

923
00:52:39,357 --> 00:52:43,359
And I'm like,
"huh," like, "that's weird."

924
00:52:43,361 --> 00:52:47,429
<i>So I'm lying there,</i>
<i>and there's this man</i>

925
00:52:47,431 --> 00:52:51,300
<i>down at the end of the bed,</i>
<i>and he Says to me,</i>

926
00:52:51,302 --> 00:52:53,936
<i>"he Says, " forrest...</i>

927
00:52:53,938 --> 00:52:57,473
<i>You just came all over</i>
<i>your mother's sheets."</i>

928
00:52:57,475 --> 00:53:01,577
You just masturbated all over
your mother's bed sheets.

929
00:53:01,579 --> 00:53:05,681
You're disgusting!
A pervert.

930
00:53:05,683 --> 00:53:09,285
And I had not masturbated
that night, I will say.

931
00:53:09,287 --> 00:53:12,354
But his voice
was immediately familiar.

932
00:53:12,356 --> 00:53:14,957
<i>As the voice that talked</i>
<i>to me as a child.</i>

933
00:53:14,959 --> 00:53:17,359
<i>The same voice.</i>
<i>It was like...</i>

934
00:53:17,361 --> 00:53:20,229
it was like as If, you know,

935
00:53:20,231 --> 00:53:22,398
you get a phone call
from a relative

936
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,300
or somebody you haven't
talked to in a while,

937
00:53:24,302 --> 00:53:27,269
run into an old friend
and hear their voice first,

938
00:53:27,271 --> 00:53:28,971
and you recognize the voice.

939
00:53:28,973 --> 00:53:30,906
You haven't heard it
for a long time.

940
00:53:30,908 --> 00:53:32,575
<i>But you know it.</i>
<i>It's that person.</i>

941
00:53:32,577 --> 00:53:33,977
<i>And I had that experience,</i>
<i>I'm like,</i>

942
00:53:33,978 --> 00:53:36,679
<i>"Oh, It's that voice.</i>
<i>That man."</i>

943
00:53:36,681 --> 00:53:39,949
<i>I've seen him</i>
<i>two or three more times</i>

944
00:53:39,951 --> 00:53:42,351
<i>in that physical incarnation.</i>

945
00:53:42,353 --> 00:53:47,489
<i>But I've also had, like,</i>
<i>times where I've seen people,</i>

946
00:53:47,491 --> 00:53:49,425
<i>that have approached me</i>
<i>the same way</i>

947
00:53:49,427 --> 00:53:52,528
<i>and I've felt like,</i>
<i>"yes, that's him."</i>

948
00:53:52,530 --> 00:53:54,930
<i>Like, I...</i>
<i>it was a different body,</i>

949
00:53:54,932 --> 00:53:58,601
<i>but it was that same entity</i>
<i>that was talking to me.</i>

950
00:54:00,670 --> 00:54:02,504
We had a friend staying over.

951
00:54:02,506 --> 00:54:04,273
We had people over that night,

952
00:54:04,275 --> 00:54:06,242
and we had a one-bedroom
tiny apartment.

953
00:54:06,244 --> 00:54:09,645
So we're all
kind of crammed into my bed.

954
00:54:09,647 --> 00:54:12,982
And I remember I had...

955
00:54:14,985 --> 00:54:16,952
Um, gone to sleep.

956
00:54:16,954 --> 00:54:19,688
<i>You know, the two girls,</i>
<i>they were asleep.</i>

957
00:54:19,690 --> 00:54:22,291
<i>You know,</i>
<i>they were out like a light.</i>

958
00:54:22,293 --> 00:54:24,693
<i>Almost immediately,</i>
<i>the paralysis hits.</i>

959
00:54:24,695 --> 00:54:27,563
<i>Normal paralysis.</i>
<i>Completely normal.</i>

960
00:54:27,565 --> 00:54:30,966
<i>You know, situation, like,</i>
<i>stereotypical dark room,</i>

961
00:54:30,968 --> 00:54:34,536
<i>but in this,</i>
<i>there's a really tall entity,</i>

962
00:54:34,538 --> 00:54:38,307
<i>like, you know, If the room's</i>
<i>eight feet tall,</i>

963
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:39,908
<i>he is an eight-foot-tall dude</i>
<i>with a hunch.</i>

964
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:42,645
<i>Like, he is not fitting</i>
<i>in this room.</i>

965
00:54:42,647 --> 00:54:46,048
<i>And they were red eyes.</i>
<i>This is what I remember.</i>

966
00:54:46,050 --> 00:54:48,884
<i>And very mothman type shit,</i>
<i>actually.</i>

967
00:54:48,886 --> 00:54:50,552
<i>And it starts talking to me.</i>

968
00:54:50,554 --> 00:54:52,655
<i>He repeats,</i>
<i>"you know who I am."</i>

969
00:54:52,657 --> 00:54:54,456
<i>You know who I am.</i>

970
00:54:54,458 --> 00:54:56,725
<i>You don't know who I am.</i>

971
00:54:56,727 --> 00:54:59,962
<i>Right now, but I know you.</i>

972
00:54:59,964 --> 00:55:02,698
<i>And you know me.</i>

973
00:55:05,303 --> 00:55:08,537
You...
Are going to die.

974
00:55:17,882 --> 00:55:20,382
I just had
this horrible experience,

975
00:55:20,384 --> 00:55:22,451
you know, and,
you know, I believed it.

976
00:55:22,453 --> 00:55:24,054
I believed that this thing
was telling me

977
00:55:24,055 --> 00:55:25,587
it was gonna kill me.

978
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:27,489
I'm going to die.

979
00:55:27,491 --> 00:55:29,658
And I'm sitting here
feeling bad for her

980
00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:32,394
that<i> she's</i> freaking out,
and I'm trying to calm her down.

981
00:55:32,396 --> 00:55:34,430
I figure out she has this...
I figured she had a sleep terror

982
00:55:34,432 --> 00:55:36,932
or something like that,
and she's telling me

983
00:55:36,934 --> 00:55:39,435
<i>that on her chest,</i>
<i>she saw something on her chest,</i>

984
00:55:39,437 --> 00:55:42,371
<i>a cat with red eyes,</i>
<i>and it was looking at me</i>

985
00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:45,708
<i>and talking in a language</i>
<i>that she couldn't understand.</i>

986
00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:50,045
<i>Like, it was on top of her</i>
<i>but threatening me.</i>

987
00:55:58,388 --> 00:56:01,056
<i>And the second she said it</i>
<i>had red eyes,</i>

988
00:56:01,058 --> 00:56:03,625
I just, liked, freaked out.

989
00:56:03,627 --> 00:56:06,128
Like, I was just...
I, like...

990
00:56:06,130 --> 00:56:08,497
I remember this was during
a time of my life

991
00:56:08,499 --> 00:56:10,966
where I was like,
"maybe I<i> am</i> crazy. It's fine."

992
00:56:10,968 --> 00:56:12,735
And then this happened.

993
00:56:12,737 --> 00:56:14,970
And then it immediately affirmed
I thought I was gonna be dead.

994
00:56:14,972 --> 00:56:17,072
Like, I was like,
"Oh, I'm going to die."

995
00:56:17,074 --> 00:56:22,010
And, like, shit like that
immediately makes me

996
00:56:22,012 --> 00:56:24,680
want to be like,
"fuck, like, regular life."

997
00:56:24,682 --> 00:56:26,115
Like...
sorry about the language.

998
00:56:26,117 --> 00:56:27,950
When things like that happen,

999
00:56:27,952 --> 00:56:30,586
It's very hard
for me to be like,

1000
00:56:30,588 --> 00:56:32,654
"yeah, I'm just gonna go
get a normal job

1001
00:56:32,656 --> 00:56:34,390
and, like, live my life."

1002
00:56:34,392 --> 00:56:36,112
Like, I'm like,
"I want to figure this out."

1003
00:56:47,704 --> 00:56:50,439
<i>Any idea why it happens to you</i>

1004
00:56:50,441 --> 00:56:52,474
<i>more than other people?</i>

1005
00:56:52,476 --> 00:56:54,109
I have no idea.

1006
00:56:54,111 --> 00:56:58,480
I mean, I guess, you know,
It's all presumption,

1007
00:56:58,482 --> 00:57:00,449
<i>but, you know, you could assume</i>

1008
00:57:00,451 --> 00:57:01,650
<i>that maybe it had something</i>
<i>to do</i>

1009
00:57:01,652 --> 00:57:04,119
<i>with being such a young child,</i>

1010
00:57:04,121 --> 00:57:07,489
<i>you know, and having</i>
<i>such a profound experience.</i>

1011
00:57:07,491 --> 00:57:10,426
<i>You know, It's kind of like</i>
<i>when you see something</i>

1012
00:57:10,428 --> 00:57:12,161
<i>for the first time,</i>
<i>you know what it is.</i>

1013
00:57:12,163 --> 00:57:14,630
<i>You know, you go to sea world</i>
<i>and see a killer whale,</i>

1014
00:57:14,632 --> 00:57:16,598
<i>and you've</i>
<i>never seen it before,</i>

1015
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,001
<i>and now you know</i>
<i>what a killer whale is.</i>

1016
00:57:19,003 --> 00:57:23,605
<i>I read the very few</i>
<i>websites out there about it,</i>

1017
00:57:23,607 --> 00:57:26,909
<i>and I didn't really learn</i>
<i>anything new,</i>

1018
00:57:26,911 --> 00:57:29,745
<i>except for,</i>
<i>there is a chemical,</i>

1019
00:57:29,747 --> 00:57:32,080
<i>Melatonin,</i>
<i>that goes into your system,</i>

1020
00:57:32,082 --> 00:57:33,715
<i>and is released upon sleep</i>

1021
00:57:33,717 --> 00:57:35,851
<i>that's supposed</i>
<i>to paralyze you.</i>

1022
00:57:35,853 --> 00:57:39,087
<i>And I was like, "okay,</i>
<i>maybe this</i> could<i> be medical."</i>

1023
00:57:39,089 --> 00:57:42,891
<i>But again,</i>
<i>there was never an explanation</i>

1024
00:57:42,893 --> 00:57:44,827
<i>for the shadow man</i>

1025
00:57:44,829 --> 00:57:47,696
<i>except for hypnagogic</i>
<i>hallucinations,</i>

1026
00:57:47,698 --> 00:57:49,064
<i>which is a nice word</i>

1027
00:57:49,066 --> 00:57:50,933
<i>that the doctors</i>
<i>like to throw around,</i>

1028
00:57:50,935 --> 00:57:53,001
<i>but it really means</i>
<i>you just imagined it.</i>

1029
00:57:53,003 --> 00:57:55,938
My guess is we conceptualize
things in our unconscious,

1030
00:57:55,940 --> 00:57:58,974
based on, like,
snippets of information

1031
00:57:58,976 --> 00:58:00,976
that we picked up
along the road somehow.

1032
00:58:00,978 --> 00:58:03,512
If I came from
an Evangelical community

1033
00:58:03,514 --> 00:58:05,047
where they really believed
in evil demons,

1034
00:58:05,049 --> 00:58:07,950
maybe my immediate association
from my unconscious

1035
00:58:07,952 --> 00:58:09,751
as I'm rising out of sleep,
would've been like,

1036
00:58:09,753 --> 00:58:11,653
"Oh, shit, It's the devil!"

1037
00:58:11,655 --> 00:58:13,555
<i>Yeah, that's interesting.</i>

1038
00:58:13,557 --> 00:58:16,058
<i>Although, I wonder If you look</i>
<i>at your own reaction</i>

1039
00:58:16,060 --> 00:58:18,560
to your experiences
as similar in a way.

1040
00:58:18,562 --> 00:58:20,929
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Like, that's true.

1041
00:58:20,931 --> 00:58:23,632
Of course. Like,
also my unconscious is like,

1042
00:58:23,634 --> 00:58:25,667
"what is the scientific
explanation for this?

1043
00:58:25,669 --> 00:58:28,537
There must be a reason
that has to do with logic."

1044
00:58:28,539 --> 00:58:30,739
So, yeah, of course
I leapt for that, too.

1045
00:58:30,741 --> 00:58:32,941
I can see it just as easily
there's the commonality

1046
00:58:32,943 --> 00:58:35,944
of human experience, like,
how our brains and our hearts

1047
00:58:35,946 --> 00:58:38,680
and our personalities function,
like, we're all people.

1048
00:58:38,682 --> 00:58:40,015
Why wouldn't we see
similar things?

1049
00:58:40,017 --> 00:58:42,084
Like,
we're not different species.

1050
00:58:42,086 --> 00:58:44,887
Why wouldn't we have similar
go-to archetypes in our brain?

1051
00:58:44,889 --> 00:58:46,588
So jungian.

1052
00:58:46,590 --> 00:58:49,958
But it can't entirely
be born from you.

1053
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,761
You know, that's to say
that everybody has in them

1054
00:58:52,763 --> 00:58:55,831
the capability of bringing out
these horrible things

1055
00:58:55,833 --> 00:58:57,833
before they've even witnessed
anything horrible.

1056
00:59:00,970 --> 00:59:03,038
It's one of my theories,

1057
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,575
that we're actually
running our brain,

1058
00:59:06,577 --> 00:59:08,977
<i>we're kind of overclocking it,</i>
<i>you know, more than we would</i>

1059
00:59:08,979 --> 00:59:11,780
<i>when we're just sleeping</i>
<i>or just awake.</i>

1060
00:59:11,782 --> 00:59:15,284
<i>And that kind of heightened</i>
<i>sense of perception,</i>

1061
00:59:15,286 --> 00:59:20,322
while we as humans...
Can't really...

1062
00:59:20,324 --> 00:59:22,090
we can't interpret it.

1063
00:59:22,092 --> 00:59:25,127
Like, we're still not, you know,
interpreting it right,

1064
00:59:25,129 --> 00:59:27,062
but now we're seeing
the raw data.

1065
00:59:27,064 --> 00:59:29,831
We're seeing, you know,
"Oh, that could be a demon."

1066
00:59:29,833 --> 00:59:31,800
I don't know how
to visualize a demon,

1067
00:59:31,802 --> 00:59:35,771
because that's not a thing
that my brain can interpret.

1068
00:59:35,773 --> 00:59:38,040
<i>And, I mean,</i>
<i>I actually kind of believe</i>

1069
00:59:38,042 --> 00:59:40,075
<i>that probably a lot of people</i>
<i>who do believe</i>

1070
00:59:40,077 --> 00:59:43,045
<i>that they have been abducted,</i>
<i>were actually victims</i>

1071
00:59:43,047 --> 00:59:45,714
<i>of sleep paralysis</i>
<i>of varying degrees.</i>

1072
00:59:49,619 --> 00:59:51,987
<i>And of course, reading more</i>
<i>about sleep paralysis,</i>

1073
00:59:51,989 --> 00:59:54,756
<i>and realizing the prevalence</i>
<i>of this experience,</i>

1074
00:59:54,758 --> 00:59:58,927
<i>you know, exists in every</i>
<i>single culture in the world.</i>

1075
01:00:01,966 --> 01:00:04,032
There are these common
archetypes that keep popping up,

1076
01:00:04,034 --> 01:00:05,934
and all over the world.

1077
01:00:05,936 --> 01:00:07,769
<i>Like, It's not just in America</i>

1078
01:00:07,771 --> 01:00:09,738
<i>people get</i>
<i>these red-eyed demons.</i>

1079
01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:12,074
<i>And It's not...</i>
<i>you know, they're everywhere.</i>

1080
01:00:12,076 --> 01:00:14,142
<i>You know, the shadow man...</i>

1081
01:00:16,713 --> 01:00:17,946
<i>The cats on the chest.</i>

1082
01:00:22,619 --> 01:00:24,386
<i>A giant cat that would</i>
<i>come into somebody's house</i>

1083
01:00:24,388 --> 01:00:26,088
<i>while they were sleeping,</i>
<i>hold them down...</i>

1084
01:00:26,090 --> 01:00:28,657
<i>It's like clawed...</i>
<i>like teeth and claws.</i>

1085
01:00:28,659 --> 01:00:30,826
<i>Sometimes metal</i>
<i>or like metal-ish.</i>

1086
01:00:30,828 --> 01:00:32,661
<i>Yeah, there are the ones</i>
<i>in Turkey.</i>

1087
01:00:32,663 --> 01:00:34,162
<i>There's the ancient morse...</i>

1088
01:00:34,164 --> 01:00:36,865
<i>the ancient norse one,</i>
<i>like, the mare.</i>

1089
01:00:36,867 --> 01:00:40,736
<i>And there are just so many.</i>
<i>The haint, like "the haunt."</i>

1090
01:00:42,939 --> 01:00:44,906
<i>The hmong immigrants.</i>

1091
01:00:44,908 --> 01:00:48,644
<i>Subsequently,</i>
<i>a lot of them died,</i>

1092
01:00:48,646 --> 01:00:50,345
<i>you know, from sleep paralysis.</i>

1093
01:00:50,347 --> 01:00:52,314
<i>Right, right,</i>
<i>and I know Wes craven</i>

1094
01:00:52,316 --> 01:00:54,082
<i>read an article about them,</i>

1095
01:00:54,084 --> 01:00:56,151
and that helped inspire
"a nightmare on elm street"

1096
01:00:56,153 --> 01:00:58,253
and Freddy Krueger, which,
you know, then went on

1097
01:00:58,255 --> 01:01:00,122
<i>to create</i>
<i>a weird feedback loop,</i>

1098
01:01:00,124 --> 01:01:02,257
<i>inspiring other people's</i>
<i>nightmares</i>

1099
01:01:02,259 --> 01:01:05,927
<i>and sleep paralysis</i>
<i>experiences.</i>

1100
01:01:05,929 --> 01:01:11,133
<i>So I had a dream</i>
<i>about Freddy Krueger,</i>

1101
01:01:11,135 --> 01:01:13,135
<i>and he obviously wanted</i>
<i>to kill me,</i>

1102
01:01:13,137 --> 01:01:14,836
<i>wanted to harm me,</i>

1103
01:01:14,838 --> 01:01:16,238
<i>wanted to scare</i>
<i>the crap out of me,</i>

1104
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,108
and I believe that that fear...

1105
01:01:20,110 --> 01:01:22,244
<i>Creates a substance,</i>

1106
01:01:22,246 --> 01:01:26,882
<i>and I got this black ink</i>
<i>scared out of me,</i>

1107
01:01:26,884 --> 01:01:29,084
<i>like an ink fish.</i>

1108
01:01:29,086 --> 01:01:32,220
<i>And I believe</i>
<i>that's what it eats.</i>

1109
01:01:32,222 --> 01:01:35,891
<i>The physicist</i>
<i>michio kaku said that</i>

1110
01:01:35,893 --> 01:01:38,226
<i>maybe that we don't live</i>
<i>in just one dimension,</i>

1111
01:01:38,228 --> 01:01:40,896
<i>that we live</i>
<i>in multiple dimensions.</i>

1112
01:01:40,898 --> 01:01:43,799
<i>And If you imagine</i>
<i>a block of flats</i>

1113
01:01:43,801 --> 01:01:47,069
<i>that as an infinite extension</i>
<i>of yourself,</i>

1114
01:01:47,071 --> 01:01:49,805
<i>so it keeps adding</i>
<i>to itself all the time</i>

1115
01:01:49,807 --> 01:01:52,040
<i>and never stops,</i>
<i>and in every room</i>

1116
01:01:52,042 --> 01:01:54,943
<i>of this block of flats,</i>

1117
01:01:54,945 --> 01:01:57,979
<i>is an entire universe</i>
<i>like ours.</i>

1118
01:01:57,981 --> 01:01:59,915
<i>Now, in every other room,</i>

1119
01:01:59,917 --> 01:02:03,285
<i>there must be another universe.</i>

1120
01:02:03,287 --> 01:02:07,022
<i>So, If that's true,</i>

1121
01:02:07,024 --> 01:02:09,291
<i>maybe some other us</i>

1122
01:02:09,293 --> 01:02:12,227
<i>have found our way</i>
<i>into the hallway,</i>

1123
01:02:12,229 --> 01:02:14,162
<i>and are knocking on our door.</i>

1124
01:02:30,046 --> 01:02:32,247
<i>Ready, two.</i>

1125
01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:44,760
Right after my mom died,
I was very depressed.

1126
01:02:44,762 --> 01:02:46,528
And so I'd be crying.

1127
01:02:46,530 --> 01:02:49,064
You know, there was this one day
I remember

1128
01:02:49,066 --> 01:02:53,201
that I had a breakdown,
and I was crying a lot, a lot.

1129
01:02:53,203 --> 01:02:55,804
And then the next day,
since I work night shift,

1130
01:02:55,806 --> 01:02:58,039
I came home, slept...
you know, to sleep.

1131
01:02:58,041 --> 01:03:01,176
<i>And then for some reason</i>
<i>that day,</i>

1132
01:03:01,178 --> 01:03:03,178
<i>I wanted to sleep on my side.</i>

1133
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:07,282
<i>So I slept on my side</i>
<i>facing the door of the bedroom.</i>

1134
01:03:07,284 --> 01:03:12,554
<i>And all of a sudden,</i>
<i>I felt my body getting numb.</i>

1135
01:03:12,556 --> 01:03:14,856
<i>I felt it getting paralyzed.</i>

1136
01:03:14,858 --> 01:03:17,526
<i>And I said, "Oh, my God.</i>
<i>I'm getting this again."</i>

1137
01:03:17,528 --> 01:03:20,228
<i>But then it felt different.</i>

1138
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:22,097
<i>I heard somebody walking.</i>

1139
01:03:50,326 --> 01:03:53,195
This presence came around.

1140
01:03:53,197 --> 01:03:56,264
And it came behind me.
I was like this.

1141
01:03:56,266 --> 01:03:59,201
It came behind me,
and it hugged me.

1142
01:03:59,203 --> 01:04:02,137
<i>And I heard the mattress</i>
<i>depress also.</i>

1143
01:04:02,139 --> 01:04:05,373
I heard that depress,
like someone went in the bed.

1144
01:04:05,375 --> 01:04:08,543
<i>And I felt it was my mother,</i>
<i>and I heard her voice,</i>

1145
01:04:08,545 --> 01:04:11,246
<i>and she Says,</i>
<i>"honey, I'm here. I'm here."</i>

1146
01:04:11,248 --> 01:04:16,017
And it felt so different
from that past presence,

1147
01:04:16,019 --> 01:04:18,153
because, you know,
this was my mother.

1148
01:04:18,155 --> 01:04:19,988
It didn't feel evil.

1149
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:22,090
It felt warm, and I was happy.

1150
01:04:22,092 --> 01:04:24,326
And I would talk to her.

1151
01:04:24,328 --> 01:04:26,228
It's like...
through my mind I said,

1152
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:28,330
"Oh, mommy, It's you.
Oh, my God."

1153
01:04:28,332 --> 01:04:33,101
And she's hugging me tight
saying, "I'm here, I'm here."

1154
01:04:33,103 --> 01:04:34,936
And that was just
a matter of seconds,

1155
01:04:34,938 --> 01:04:36,905
all of a sudden, she was gone.

1156
01:04:36,907 --> 01:04:38,573
So I really...
you know,

1157
01:04:38,575 --> 01:04:42,611
I think It's my mom
that comes to visit us.

1158
01:04:42,613 --> 01:04:45,313
<i>Does that still happen?</i>

1159
01:04:45,315 --> 01:04:48,984
<i>It happened, like,</i>
<i>two or three times.</i>

1160
01:04:48,986 --> 01:04:51,586
Because even though
I feel It's her,

1161
01:04:51,588 --> 01:04:55,090
there's a part of me
that sometimes Says,

1162
01:04:55,092 --> 01:04:56,925
"what If It's this thing?"

1163
01:04:56,927 --> 01:05:00,896
<i>Because sometimes</i>
<i>when I have felt her,</i>

1164
01:05:00,898 --> 01:05:03,198
<i>all of a sudden,</i>
<i>then it kind of switches,</i>

1165
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,601
<i>and then I do feel, like,</i>
<i>If there's another presence.</i>

1166
01:05:06,603 --> 01:05:09,204
<i>And then I don't know</i>
<i>If It's this thing again</i>

1167
01:05:09,206 --> 01:05:11,907
<i>that used to haunt me back then</i>

1168
01:05:11,909 --> 01:05:14,943
<i>or If it is still her even</i>
<i>though it does feel different.</i>

1169
01:05:14,945 --> 01:05:16,611
<i>I can tell the difference</i>
<i>in both of them,</i>

1170
01:05:16,613 --> 01:05:18,947
<i>and I have said,</i>
<i>"who are you?"</i>

1171
01:05:18,949 --> 01:05:20,615
<i>But of course,</i>
<i>I don't get an answer.</i>

1172
01:05:20,617 --> 01:05:22,617
<i>And then it just lasts</i>
<i>for a few seconds,</i>

1173
01:05:22,619 --> 01:05:24,552
<i>and It's gone.</i>

1174
01:05:33,629 --> 01:05:36,231
The one that stands out
above all others,

1175
01:05:36,233 --> 01:05:37,966
it happened one night

1176
01:05:37,968 --> 01:05:40,035
when me and my girlfriend
went to bed,

1177
01:05:40,037 --> 01:05:43,672
and it was around 10:00,
and I wasn't really tired.

1178
01:05:43,674 --> 01:05:46,975
<i>So I played on my phone</i>
<i>for a bit,</i>

1179
01:05:46,977 --> 01:05:48,677
<i>a game on the phone,</i>

1180
01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:51,112
<i>and I must have fallen asleep.</i>

1181
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,523
<i>When I woke up,</i>
<i>I stood at the side of my bed,</i>

1182
01:06:01,525 --> 01:06:04,426
in a very oppressive
atmosphere.

1183
01:06:04,428 --> 01:06:06,394
I can't describe
the atmosphere to you,

1184
01:06:06,396 --> 01:06:08,330
unless you were there.

1185
01:06:08,332 --> 01:06:10,465
I mean, I've never
experienced it before

1186
01:06:10,467 --> 01:06:13,001
and I've never experienced it
again like that.

1187
01:06:13,003 --> 01:06:17,539
It's a kind of
a very staticky...

1188
01:06:17,541 --> 01:06:20,375
Uh, just presence of evil.

1189
01:06:20,377 --> 01:06:23,011
And as I turned to my left,

1190
01:06:23,013 --> 01:06:28,083
<i>I see my girlfriend in bed,</i>
<i>and I see me in bed.</i>

1191
01:06:28,085 --> 01:06:31,486
<i>And now I'm confused,</i>
<i>but I also see my eyes open,</i>

1192
01:06:31,488 --> 01:06:35,023
<i>and then I heard myself</i>
<i>labored breathing,</i>

1193
01:06:35,025 --> 01:06:37,459
<i>which is what I do when I have</i>
<i>a sleep paralysis attack.</i>

1194
01:06:37,461 --> 01:06:42,263
I'm shocked, scared, and...

1195
01:06:42,265 --> 01:06:45,300
I don't know...
I don't know what's going on.

1196
01:06:45,302 --> 01:06:47,335
I'm confused
more than anything.

1197
01:06:47,337 --> 01:06:49,137
I can't...
I can't think straight.

1198
01:06:49,139 --> 01:06:50,638
I don't know what's going on.

1199
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,576
And almost instantly,
as I'm thinking that,

1200
01:06:54,578 --> 01:06:58,146
I can see three beings
over in this corner of the room.

1201
01:07:04,153 --> 01:07:06,221
There's no
looking me up and down

1202
01:07:06,223 --> 01:07:09,157
and seeing who I am
and what I'm doing there.

1203
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:12,260
<i>They...</i>
<i>the two generic shadow people,</i>

1204
01:07:12,262 --> 01:07:14,095
<i>they advance on me</i>
<i>straightaway.</i>

1205
01:07:17,299 --> 01:07:20,101
A grapple ensued
between me and them.

1206
01:07:26,308 --> 01:07:29,344
I'd like to say
it was a noble fight,

1207
01:07:29,346 --> 01:07:32,414
that I had to really
put my foot down and win,

1208
01:07:32,416 --> 01:07:34,182
but it wasn't.

1209
01:07:34,184 --> 01:07:37,419
<i>They just retreated</i>
<i>straightaway</i>

1210
01:07:37,421 --> 01:07:40,488
<i>when I put resistance up</i>
<i>behind the hat man.</i>

1211
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:42,590
And the hat man shielded them.

1212
01:07:42,592 --> 01:07:46,161
<i>And I had no intention</i>
<i>of going forward</i>

1213
01:07:46,163 --> 01:07:47,595
<i>to investigate any more.</i>

1214
01:07:47,597 --> 01:07:50,498
All I know is that
I have to get back in bed,

1215
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:54,402
that some sort of...
some voice in my head saying

1216
01:07:54,404 --> 01:07:57,105
and my own voice saying,
"get back in bed."

1217
01:07:57,107 --> 01:08:01,109
And as I turned,
I can see a long silver thread,

1218
01:08:01,111 --> 01:08:05,480
<i>for want of a better word,</i>
<i>that's going towards my body.</i>

1219
01:08:05,482 --> 01:08:09,784
And I decide that now I have
gotta get back into bed.

1220
01:08:09,786 --> 01:08:13,154
<i>And just as I decide that,</i>
<i>I shoot up in bed.</i>

1221
01:08:13,156 --> 01:08:16,391
<i>There's no in between,</i>

1222
01:08:16,393 --> 01:08:18,259
<i>going back in my body</i>
<i>or whatever.</i>

1223
01:08:18,261 --> 01:08:19,861
<i>It's just I'm there.</i>

1224
01:08:19,863 --> 01:08:22,530
I sit straight up,
and I go downstairs

1225
01:08:22,532 --> 01:08:24,299
into the kitchen, get a drink,

1226
01:08:24,301 --> 01:08:27,335
and I'm instantly hit
by the fear and guilt,

1227
01:08:27,337 --> 01:08:29,537
that I've left her
on her own upstairs.

1228
01:08:29,539 --> 01:08:31,272
Because they're still
in that room.

1229
01:08:31,274 --> 01:08:32,807
I know they're still
in that room.

1230
01:08:32,809 --> 01:08:36,244
And as I go back upstairs,
I sit in bed,

1231
01:08:36,246 --> 01:08:37,846
and I stay up all night.

1232
01:08:37,848 --> 01:08:40,215
<i>And It's like I'm on watch.</i>

1233
01:09:06,876 --> 01:09:09,177
<i>They just wanted me really bad.</i>

1234
01:09:11,847 --> 01:09:14,549
<i>I remember I was just</i>
<i>sort of laying in my bed,</i>

1235
01:09:14,551 --> 01:09:18,286
<i>and then there's now</i>
<i>the loud noise,</i>

1236
01:09:18,288 --> 01:09:20,588
and, Oh, I hate the sound
of the noise.

1237
01:09:20,590 --> 01:09:23,525
It's, like, almost like
spirits or demons,

1238
01:09:23,527 --> 01:09:25,460
like, kind of like
screaming at you.

1239
01:09:25,462 --> 01:09:28,196
- - So then you hear, like...

1240
01:09:28,198 --> 01:09:30,832
It's almost like
a buzzing that starts,

1241
01:09:30,834 --> 01:09:33,935
and then I can sense
a presence,

1242
01:09:33,937 --> 01:09:36,471
right...
like, standing over me.

1243
01:09:36,473 --> 01:09:39,374
Just standing right here
next to me

1244
01:09:39,376 --> 01:09:41,543
on my bed standing over me.

1245
01:09:43,846 --> 01:09:45,213
Then you hear, like,
this sound.

1246
01:09:45,215 --> 01:09:46,614
It's like...
it feels like

1247
01:09:46,616 --> 01:09:49,484
somebody's screaming
right in your ear,

1248
01:09:49,486 --> 01:09:52,287
like they're right here,
and they're screaming.

1249
01:10:06,502 --> 01:10:08,603
And I can sense the color red,

1250
01:10:08,605 --> 01:10:12,307
as If they were wearing
something red

1251
01:10:12,309 --> 01:10:16,911
or like a dark red robe
or something red.

1252
01:10:16,913 --> 01:10:20,949
And I tried to look at the face,
but I couldn't.

1253
01:10:20,951 --> 01:10:23,918
Like, every inch,
every centimeter

1254
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,955
feels like over a ton.

1255
01:10:26,957 --> 01:10:30,425
<i>And so I'm trying to move,</i>
<i>and I wanna see it,</i>

1256
01:10:30,427 --> 01:10:32,393
<i>and I'm looking,</i>
<i>like straining to look up,</i>

1257
01:10:32,395 --> 01:10:34,262
<i>straining to look up.</i>

1258
01:10:34,264 --> 01:10:36,631
<i>I could...</i>
<i>I could barely move my head.</i>

1259
01:10:36,633 --> 01:10:40,568
It was almost going like this,
like...

1260
01:10:40,570 --> 01:10:45,373
and then, like,
I think I said something.

1261
01:10:45,375 --> 01:10:47,008
I just said,
"I remember this guy."

1262
01:10:47,010 --> 01:10:48,543
His name is Jesus,

1263
01:10:48,545 --> 01:10:50,478
and I'm gonna use his name
right now.

1264
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:52,380
And I'm gonna say,
'in Jesus' name,

1265
01:10:52,382 --> 01:10:56,451
"you know, get out, " or...
I said something to that effect.

1266
01:10:56,453 --> 01:10:58,353
Jesus...

1267
01:11:02,691 --> 01:11:04,425
Jesus...

1268
01:11:06,695 --> 01:11:09,697
In Jesus' name...

1269
01:11:09,699 --> 01:11:14,869
In Jesus' name...
Get out.

1270
01:11:18,607 --> 01:11:22,410
And I suddenly sensed
that the demons,

1271
01:11:22,412 --> 01:11:24,712
or the thing
that was happening to me,

1272
01:11:24,714 --> 01:11:29,317
that evil presence
just left. Gone.

1273
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:31,452
And it was amazing.

1274
01:11:31,454 --> 01:11:34,822
It was like a feeling
of victory, yeah.

1275
01:11:34,824 --> 01:11:36,958
<i>And they never came back?</i>

1276
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,361
They never came back.
I wasn't even a Christian then.

1277
01:11:40,363 --> 01:11:42,730
I actually abhorred religion.

1278
01:11:42,732 --> 01:11:44,565
I didn't want...

1279
01:11:44,567 --> 01:11:46,601
some lady a long time
ago told me

1280
01:11:46,603 --> 01:11:49,337
I should marry a Christian man,
and I just laughed in her face.

1281
01:11:49,339 --> 01:11:52,940
Anyways, I learned
very late in my life

1282
01:11:52,942 --> 01:11:54,842
that the name of Jesus
has power,

1283
01:11:54,844 --> 01:11:58,546
and that's how
I became a Christian.

1284
01:11:58,548 --> 01:12:02,717
<i>So do you not...</i>

1285
01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:06,354
<i>do you believe in</i>
<i>the Wikipedia definition</i>

1286
01:12:06,356 --> 01:12:08,656
<i>of sleep paralysis?</i>

1287
01:12:08,658 --> 01:12:09,924
No.

1288
01:12:09,926 --> 01:12:13,928
Um, that would be
sort of like the...

1289
01:12:13,930 --> 01:12:17,799
I guess, the...
the worldly term,

1290
01:12:17,801 --> 01:12:19,901
like, what people would deem
as something

1291
01:12:19,903 --> 01:12:23,404
that's a physiological response,

1292
01:12:23,406 --> 01:12:25,540
that It's like a natural thing
that happens with the body.

1293
01:12:25,542 --> 01:12:28,910
But I don't think that's true.

1294
01:12:28,912 --> 01:12:32,347
I do think
that It's something to do

1295
01:12:32,349 --> 01:12:34,916
with the spiritual realm.

1296
01:12:34,918 --> 01:12:39,787
And It's closely tied
with possibly demonic activity.

1297
01:12:39,789 --> 01:12:41,689
At 33 years old,

1298
01:12:41,691 --> 01:12:43,758
I don't think It's gonna get
any better for me.

1299
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,493
I've experienced it
most of my life,

1300
01:12:45,495 --> 01:12:46,594
If not all my life.

1301
01:12:46,596 --> 01:12:48,429
I know what It's like.

1302
01:12:48,431 --> 01:12:51,766
<i>I don't believe that</i>
<i>this is just a rare occurrence.</i>

1303
01:12:51,768 --> 01:12:55,470
<i>I think It's...</i>
<i>I think none of us are special</i>

1304
01:12:55,472 --> 01:12:57,705
<i>that have this happen to them.</i>

1305
01:12:57,707 --> 01:13:01,843
<i>There's no reason why we should</i>
<i>have this happen to us, so...</i>

1306
01:13:01,845 --> 01:13:05,446
<i>but I'd like to know</i>
<i>how many other people</i>

1307
01:13:05,448 --> 01:13:08,850
<i>out there experience this.</i>

1308
01:13:08,852 --> 01:13:10,685
<i>I know there are quite a few,</i>

1309
01:13:10,687 --> 01:13:13,454
<i>but I think there's a lot more.</i>

1310
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:25,166
<i>Hey, everybody,</i>
<i>It's Connie here,</i>

1311
01:13:25,168 --> 01:13:28,169
<i>A.K.A. Phoenixrising11.</i>

1312
01:13:28,171 --> 01:13:30,471
<i>Thank you for joining me.</i>

1313
01:13:30,473 --> 01:13:33,107
<i>I first wanna start out</i>
<i>by saying that,</i>

1314
01:13:33,109 --> 01:13:36,611
<i>I'm about to tell you</i>
<i>a very personal story,</i>

1315
01:13:36,613 --> 01:13:39,680
<i>and If you get weirded out</i>
<i>easily</i>

1316
01:13:39,682 --> 01:13:41,783
<i>or you're not</i>
<i>that open-minded...</i>

1317
01:13:41,785 --> 01:13:44,652
<i>So you made a pretty</i>
<i>powerful YouTube video</i>

1318
01:13:44,654 --> 01:13:46,421
<i>about your experience.</i>

1319
01:13:46,423 --> 01:13:48,423
<i>Do you watch</i>
<i>a lot of other people's</i>

1320
01:13:48,425 --> 01:13:50,758
<i>sleep paralysis videos?</i>

1321
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:55,563
<i>I don't really</i>
<i>like to listen...</i>

1322
01:13:55,565 --> 01:13:57,532
I haven't seen a lot
of other people's

1323
01:13:57,534 --> 01:13:59,667
sleep paralysis videos.

1324
01:13:59,669 --> 01:14:02,703
Although people
do send me their stuff,

1325
01:14:02,705 --> 01:14:04,505
I just am not in a place

1326
01:14:04,507 --> 01:14:08,810
to want to listen
to that kind of stuff anymore.

1327
01:14:08,812 --> 01:14:09,944
I don't know why.

1328
01:14:09,946 --> 01:14:11,813
I feel like It's just...

1329
01:14:11,815 --> 01:14:16,684
It's kind of like that's
the past,

1330
01:14:16,686 --> 01:14:18,786
and I'm not in that space
anymore.

1331
01:14:18,788 --> 01:14:21,756
You know, I found faith,
and I met my husband,

1332
01:14:21,758 --> 01:14:25,693
and I never thought
I'd get married, and...

1333
01:14:25,695 --> 01:14:28,629
<i>So you're actually</i>
<i>trying not to think too much</i>

1334
01:14:28,631 --> 01:14:30,031
<i>about sleep paralysis anymore.</i>

1335
01:14:30,033 --> 01:14:34,535
Yeah, yeah, I mean, why?
For what, you know?

1336
01:14:57,025 --> 01:14:59,794
Um...

1337
01:14:59,796 --> 01:15:01,963
I was, uh...

1338
01:15:01,965 --> 01:15:03,931
Dating a girl
who was pretty crazy.

1339
01:15:03,933 --> 01:15:06,567
She was kind of really into
being very nature-y.

1340
01:15:06,569 --> 01:15:08,002
Not like a hippie,
but kind of like

1341
01:15:08,004 --> 01:15:12,673
a crazy wood spirit nymph
was kind of her vibe.

1342
01:15:12,675 --> 01:15:15,943
A lot of her clothes
were, like, stitched together.

1343
01:15:15,945 --> 01:15:17,845
She was crazy.

1344
01:15:17,847 --> 01:15:21,282
She would do things like,
say, start walking out

1345
01:15:21,284 --> 01:15:23,084
<i>in the middle</i>
<i>of an incredibly busy street,</i>

1346
01:15:23,086 --> 01:15:24,819
<i>and I would try and stop her,</i>
<i>and she'd be like,</i>

1347
01:15:24,821 --> 01:15:26,754
<i>"no, no,</i>
<i>the spirits are guiding me,"</i>

1348
01:15:26,756 --> 01:15:28,990
<i>with her eyes closed.</i>

1349
01:15:28,992 --> 01:15:31,893
<i>I can't believe she survived.</i>

1350
01:15:31,895 --> 01:15:35,563
So she was definitely
on the cusp of something.

1351
01:15:35,565 --> 01:15:37,031
<i>So was I.</i>

1352
01:15:37,033 --> 01:15:39,000
<i>We were both really living</i>
<i>in the fringes</i>

1353
01:15:39,002 --> 01:15:42,036
<i>of sanity at that time.</i>

1354
01:15:42,038 --> 01:15:45,973
<i>And we went up to a cabin</i>

1355
01:15:45,975 --> 01:15:50,778
<i>that my dad has</i>
<i>in the bay of fundy in Canada.</i>

1356
01:15:50,780 --> 01:15:54,048
<i>And we were walking out</i>
<i>in the woods.</i>

1357
01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:56,984
<i>And it was getting dark.</i>
<i>It was kind of dusk.</i>

1358
01:15:56,986 --> 01:15:59,987
<i>So she said,</i>
<i>"let's build a stone circle",</i>

1359
01:15:59,989 --> 01:16:01,856
<i>because we'd just gone</i>
<i>to a pebble beach.</i>

1360
01:16:01,858 --> 01:16:04,959
<i>So we took our pebbles</i>
<i>and laid them all down.</i>

1361
01:16:04,961 --> 01:16:07,662
<i>And then we decided</i>
<i>to be receptive,</i>

1362
01:16:07,664 --> 01:16:09,030
<i>If you know what that means.</i>

1363
01:16:14,903 --> 01:16:16,704
<i>And so she, like,</i>
<i>closed her eyes</i>

1364
01:16:16,706 --> 01:16:18,739
<i>and she was, like,</i>
<i>standing like this,</i>

1365
01:16:18,741 --> 01:16:21,742
<i>and I was just kind of</i>
<i>standing there like this.</i>

1366
01:16:21,744 --> 01:16:24,451
- <i> And suddenly she goes,
"Oh, something's coming."</i>

1367
01:16:24,477 --> 01:16:26,013
- She's coming! She's coming!

1368
01:16:26,015 --> 01:16:27,882
<i>And she had her eyes closed,</i>

1369
01:16:27,884 --> 01:16:30,985
<i>and so she was not...</i>
<i>could not see anything,</i>

1370
01:16:30,987 --> 01:16:32,653
<i>and I was looking,</i>
<i>and it was like</i>

1371
01:16:32,655 --> 01:16:35,022
<i>she was listening</i>
<i>and I was looking.</i>

1372
01:16:35,024 --> 01:16:38,326
<i>And I looked into the forest,</i>
<i>and, um...</i>

1373
01:16:40,963 --> 01:16:44,098
<i>Out came this blue form.</i>

1374
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:47,602
<i>It started approaching,</i>
<i>this very, very blue thing.</i>

1375
01:16:47,604 --> 01:16:50,104
<i>Like, it had the same quality</i>
<i>as the black things</i>

1376
01:16:50,106 --> 01:16:52,907
<i>that we talked about,</i>
<i>but blue, peaceful,</i>

1377
01:16:52,909 --> 01:16:54,842
<i>just really, like, nice.</i>

1378
01:16:54,844 --> 01:16:57,111
<i>And she's like,</i>
<i>"Oh, she's blue."</i>

1379
01:16:57,113 --> 01:16:58,779
<i>She said, "she's blue."</i>

1380
01:16:58,781 --> 01:17:01,115
<i>Eyes closed,</i>
<i>you know, like this.</i>

1381
01:17:01,117 --> 01:17:02,817
<i>And it came and approached,</i>

1382
01:17:02,819 --> 01:17:04,819
<i>and then it just</i>
<i>kind of stood still,</i>

1383
01:17:04,821 --> 01:17:07,021
<i>and it was maybe, like,</i>
<i>six feet over there.</i>

1384
01:17:07,023 --> 01:17:09,624
<i>I'm getting goosebumps</i>
<i>just thinking about this.</i>

1385
01:17:09,626 --> 01:17:12,393
<i>And here's my girlfriend,</i>
<i>and she's just laughing a lot,</i>

1386
01:17:12,395 --> 01:17:14,662
<i>like, "Oh, she's saying</i>
<i>the funniest things."</i>

1387
01:17:14,664 --> 01:17:16,697
<i>Like, just crazy.</i>
<i>It was really crazy and weird.</i>

1388
01:17:25,374 --> 01:17:27,642
<i>"And she goes, " Oh,</i>

1389
01:17:27,644 --> 01:17:30,911
she Says not to be worried
about the demons behind you."

1390
01:17:30,913 --> 01:17:33,080
<i>And I was like, "what?"</i>

1391
01:17:33,082 --> 01:17:35,383
And I turned around.

1392
01:17:38,787 --> 01:17:40,021
<i>And I saw them.</i>

1393
01:17:47,129 --> 01:17:49,797
<i>That same face.</i>
<i>The face that people see</i>

1394
01:17:49,799 --> 01:17:51,732
<i>when they're abducted</i>
<i>by aliens.</i>

1395
01:17:51,734 --> 01:17:54,368
<i>The face that I saw</i>
<i>as a small child.</i>

1396
01:17:58,373 --> 01:18:00,374
<i>And then in that moment,</i>

1397
01:18:00,376 --> 01:18:05,680
<i>I suddenly had this, like,</i>
<i>kind of realization.</i>

1398
01:18:09,885 --> 01:18:11,352
<i>'Cause it wasn't, like,</i>
<i>linguistic.</i>

1399
01:18:11,354 --> 01:18:13,120
<i>I didn't hear anybody</i>
<i>talking to me,</i>

1400
01:18:13,122 --> 01:18:15,389
<i>but I felt a thought</i>
<i>in my head,</i>

1401
01:18:15,391 --> 01:18:18,025
<i>something external,</i>
<i>and it was all about how, um...</i>

1402
01:18:20,729 --> 01:18:22,763
<i>Fear empowers bad things.</i>

1403
01:18:25,767 --> 01:18:28,803
<i>To have fear when</i>
<i>you're in a bad environment</i>

1404
01:18:28,805 --> 01:18:30,771
<i>or a bad place</i>
<i>or around a bad thing</i>

1405
01:18:30,773 --> 01:18:33,474
<i>only gives that thing</i>
<i>more strength.</i>

1406
01:18:39,347 --> 01:18:41,916
<i>What that kind of made me</i>
<i>begin to realize</i>

1407
01:18:41,918 --> 01:18:44,051
<i>is that, you know,</i>
<i>here I'm hearing these voices,</i>

1408
01:18:44,053 --> 01:18:46,420
<i>and they're disembodied,</i>
<i>confused,</i>

1409
01:18:46,422 --> 01:18:49,390
<i>schizophrenic ghosts, you know,</i>

1410
01:18:49,392 --> 01:18:51,492
<i>yeah, those are people.</i>

1411
01:18:51,494 --> 01:18:53,094
<i>Maybe they're dead.</i>
<i>Maybe they're alive.</i>

1412
01:18:53,096 --> 01:18:55,062
<i>I don't know.</i>

1413
01:18:55,064 --> 01:18:56,897
<i>But then the other things,</i>

1414
01:18:56,899 --> 01:19:00,501
<i>the black, cloudy thing,</i>
<i>these gray things,</i>

1415
01:19:00,503 --> 01:19:05,873
<i>um, those are something</i>
<i>more primal,</i>

1416
01:19:05,875 --> 01:19:09,777
<i>something more just</i>
<i>environmental.</i>

1417
01:19:09,779 --> 01:19:11,779
<i>And when I came</i>
<i>to that realization, I'm like,</i>

1418
01:19:11,781 --> 01:19:13,781
<i>well, does it</i>
<i>have to be any one thing?</i>

1419
01:19:13,783 --> 01:19:18,786
And shortly thereafter,
the blue spirit,

1420
01:19:18,788 --> 01:19:22,323
uh, dissipated into the woods.

1421
01:19:22,325 --> 01:19:26,093
And then we went back to,
you know, the cabin,

1422
01:19:26,095 --> 01:19:28,796
and that was that.

1423
01:19:28,798 --> 01:19:30,865
<i>You're talking</i>
<i>about something that happens</i>

1424
01:19:30,867 --> 01:19:33,000
<i>at the absolute edges</i>
<i>of dreaming.</i>

1425
01:19:33,002 --> 01:19:34,368
Like, you can't explain dreams.

1426
01:19:34,370 --> 01:19:36,537
You can't explain them
logically.

1427
01:19:36,539 --> 01:19:38,005
They're all little bits
and pieces

1428
01:19:38,007 --> 01:19:39,340
that come up from
your unconsciousness,

1429
01:19:39,342 --> 01:19:41,242
and from things
you've experienced,

1430
01:19:41,244 --> 01:19:44,145
and who knows how the sleeping
mind puts things together?

1431
01:19:44,147 --> 01:19:45,780
And now you're talking
about an experience

1432
01:19:45,782 --> 01:19:47,081
that happens
in that in-between stage.

1433
01:19:47,083 --> 01:19:48,816
It's so liminal.

1434
01:19:48,818 --> 01:19:52,853
You can't put logic
onto liminal situations.

1435
01:19:52,855 --> 01:19:55,356
I need you to also understand

1436
01:19:55,358 --> 01:19:57,925
that I was in
an abusive household.

1437
01:19:57,927 --> 01:20:01,195
<i>I believe because I was</i>
<i>beaten so much during the day,</i>

1438
01:20:01,197 --> 01:20:04,865
<i>that at night,</i>
<i>my soul had to heal</i>

1439
01:20:04,867 --> 01:20:06,867
<i>to keep me here.</i>

1440
01:20:06,869 --> 01:20:09,270
<i>That's why I had to get through</i>
<i>the fourth dimension,</i>

1441
01:20:09,272 --> 01:20:13,007
<i>and that's why I had to go</i>
<i>somewhere else to be healed,</i>

1442
01:20:13,009 --> 01:20:16,377
<i>so that I could come back</i>
<i>and deal with my life.</i>

1443
01:20:16,379 --> 01:20:18,946
I knew absolutely nothing
about sleep paralysis

1444
01:20:18,948 --> 01:20:21,348
until I was told about it.

1445
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:26,987
And then I, almost instantly,
began experiencing it.

1446
01:20:26,989 --> 01:20:31,025
I don't believe, like,
the medical explanation to it,

1447
01:20:31,027 --> 01:20:34,161
the physiological stuff,
just a sleep disorder.

1448
01:20:34,163 --> 01:20:36,197
There's got to be
way more to it.

1449
01:20:36,199 --> 01:20:40,034
I told my one friend about it
when I was just talking,

1450
01:20:40,036 --> 01:20:42,303
I was like, "have you ever heard
of sleep paralysis?"

1451
01:20:42,305 --> 01:20:45,406
She's like, "no,"
and so I shared my experience.

1452
01:20:45,408 --> 01:20:48,142
<i>And then the next day,</i>
<i>she's texting me.</i>

1453
01:20:48,144 --> 01:20:51,278
<i>She's like, "I hate you.</i>
<i>I hate you.</i>"

1454
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,982
<i>Whatever you were telling me</i>
<i>about happening to you,</i>

1455
01:20:54,984 --> 01:20:56,884
<i>now It's starting</i>
<i>to happen to me."</i>

1456
01:21:05,327 --> 01:21:09,964
<i>Kind of like an std,</i>
<i>"sleep-transmitted disease."</i>

1457
01:21:14,202 --> 01:21:16,470
There was an experience
during this time

1458
01:21:16,472 --> 01:21:18,038
that I actually
did think I died.

1459
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:19,506
Whole dream's going fine.

1460
01:21:19,508 --> 01:21:22,076
I don't really know
what we're doing.

1461
01:21:22,078 --> 01:21:24,445
It's one of those three-,
four-day-feeling type dreams.

1462
01:21:24,447 --> 01:21:28,115
I'm just kind of existing in it,
sort of enjoying it.

1463
01:21:28,117 --> 01:21:31,085
And all of a sudden, like,
somebody knocks at the door.

1464
01:21:33,222 --> 01:21:36,423
<i>It's, like, two homeless dudes.</i>
<i>And they're trying to get in,</i>

1465
01:21:36,425 --> 01:21:39,293
<i>and I'm trying to tell them,</i>
<i>"listen, we're at capacity.</i>

1466
01:21:39,295 --> 01:21:41,996
<i>We're at capacity for homeless</i>
<i>people in my weird dream town."</i>

1467
01:21:46,968 --> 01:21:50,271
<i>There's a guy on roller blades</i>
<i>in the background, very '90s.</i>

1468
01:21:50,273 --> 01:21:53,040
<i>And I wasn't thinking,</i>
<i>but he, like, turns,</i>

1469
01:21:53,042 --> 01:21:55,142
<i>and he starts</i>
<i>roller-blading towards me.</i>

1470
01:21:55,144 --> 01:21:58,913
<i>And I'm like, "that's awesome.</i>
<i>He's gonna come into play here.</i>"

1471
01:21:58,915 --> 01:22:01,181
<i>This is cool.</i>

1472
01:22:01,183 --> 01:22:03,623
<i>I'm probably gonna wake up soon</i>
<i>'cause It's all evaporating."</i>

1473
01:22:08,056 --> 01:22:11,926
<i>And as he gets really close,</i>
<i>he just pulls out a gun.</i>

1474
01:22:11,928 --> 01:22:13,961
<i>And then I'm in the paralysis.</i>

1475
01:22:13,963 --> 01:22:16,130
<i>But It's not a paralysis</i>
<i>I've ever felt before.</i>

1476
01:22:16,132 --> 01:22:19,133
<i>It's just nothing.</i>
<i>I don't see anything.</i>

1477
01:22:19,135 --> 01:22:22,937
<i>I don't feel anything.</i>
<i>I'm just nothing.</i>

1478
01:22:22,939 --> 01:22:25,039
<i>So I guess maybe</i>
<i>this is an afterlife.</i>

1479
01:22:25,041 --> 01:22:26,340
<i>And I was like,</i>
<i>"nah, probably not.</i>

1480
01:22:26,342 --> 01:22:28,142
<i>Maybe I'm in a coma."</i>

1481
01:22:28,144 --> 01:22:30,244
<i>And I'm starting to think</i>
<i>sleep paralysis</i>

1482
01:22:30,246 --> 01:22:31,578
<i>probably finally fucked me.</i>

1483
01:22:31,580 --> 01:22:33,280
<i>Like, I'm probably done.</i>

1484
01:22:33,282 --> 01:22:35,349
<i>And I've probably stopped</i>
<i>breathing,</i>

1485
01:22:35,351 --> 01:22:37,117
<i>and this is what happens</i>
<i>when it happens,</i>

1486
01:22:37,119 --> 01:22:39,353
<i>like, I'm just nothingness.</i>

1487
01:22:39,355 --> 01:22:42,189
<i>And, like, five,</i>
<i>ten minutes go by,</i>

1488
01:22:42,191 --> 01:22:45,092
<i>and I'm just like...</i>
<i>get a little nervous,</i>

1489
01:22:45,094 --> 01:22:46,493
<i>but, like, at the same time,</i>

1490
01:22:46,495 --> 01:22:49,029
<i>I'm just</i>
<i>kind of weirdly serene.</i>

1491
01:22:49,031 --> 01:22:50,965
<i>Like, "this sucks."</i>

1492
01:22:50,967 --> 01:22:54,234
<i>And...</i>
<i>I remember thinking,</i>

1493
01:22:54,236 --> 01:22:55,736
<i>like, I'm gonna try</i>
<i>to pull out of it.</i>

1494
01:22:55,738 --> 01:22:57,504
<i>Like,</i>
<i>the same motion I would do</i>

1495
01:22:57,506 --> 01:22:59,740
<i>to pull out of sleep paralysis,</i>

1496
01:22:59,742 --> 01:23:01,508
<i>I'm gonna just try</i>
<i>to emulate that.</i>

1497
01:23:01,510 --> 01:23:04,178
<i>And I try over and over</i>
<i>and over again,</i>

1498
01:23:04,180 --> 01:23:07,081
<i>I mean, hundreds of times.</i>

1499
01:23:07,083 --> 01:23:09,350
<i>You know, just...</i>
<i>but I'm getting somewhere,</i>

1500
01:23:09,352 --> 01:23:14,254
<i>and I remember I come up</i>
<i>for, like, half a second.</i>

1501
01:23:14,256 --> 01:23:16,123
<i>And I can see my room.</i>

1502
01:23:16,125 --> 01:23:17,992
<i>It's like I can open</i>
<i>my eyes a little bit,</i>

1503
01:23:17,994 --> 01:23:20,160
<i>but nothing's...</i>
<i>there's nothing there anymore.</i>

1504
01:23:20,162 --> 01:23:22,196
<i>And It's almost like</i>
<i>I'm just in bed</i>

1505
01:23:22,198 --> 01:23:23,697
<i>and the room is like...</i>

1506
01:23:23,699 --> 01:23:25,766
<i>all the details</i>
<i>of the room are gone.</i>

1507
01:23:25,768 --> 01:23:29,203
<i>There's... I can see my</i>
<i>now ex-girlfriend's dresser,</i>

1508
01:23:29,205 --> 01:23:32,373
<i>her little vanity,</i>
<i>and there's nothing on it.</i>

1509
01:23:32,375 --> 01:23:35,142
<i>And I remember</i>
<i>I called out her name,</i>

1510
01:23:35,144 --> 01:23:36,677
<i>and nobody came,</i>

1511
01:23:36,679 --> 01:23:38,445
<i>and then I was</i>
<i>back in the paralysis.</i>

1512
01:23:38,447 --> 01:23:40,414
<i>And then it was another five,</i>

1513
01:23:40,416 --> 01:23:44,385
<i>ten minutes of pulling out,</i>
<i>and then eventually I woke up.</i>

1514
01:23:44,387 --> 01:23:48,055
<i>And...</i>
<i>She wasn't there.</i>

1515
01:23:48,057 --> 01:23:52,426
<i>Nobody was around,</i>
<i>but... it just...</i>

1516
01:23:52,428 --> 01:23:54,361
<i>it was...</i>
<i>it was the worst.</i>

1517
01:23:54,363 --> 01:23:57,197
<i>I just felt like I died.</i>

1518
01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:59,767
<i>You know, it became this</i>
<i>kind for turning point for me</i>

1519
01:23:59,769 --> 01:24:04,438
in, you know, just...

1520
01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:07,374
how I saw all this.

1521
01:24:07,376 --> 01:24:10,244
And I definitely didn't
want that to happen ever again.

1522
01:24:10,246 --> 01:24:13,180
<i>So how did that change your...</i>

1523
01:24:13,182 --> 01:24:15,215
<i>the way you saw all this?</i>

1524
01:24:15,217 --> 01:24:18,719
It just... it...
whereas before,

1525
01:24:18,721 --> 01:24:21,422
I felt like I was maybe,
you know,

1526
01:24:21,424 --> 01:24:24,124
learning and exploring
and it was, like, kind of fun,

1527
01:24:24,126 --> 01:24:26,326
it stopped being fun.

1528
01:24:26,328 --> 01:24:28,429
Like, It's not like I get to...

1529
01:24:28,431 --> 01:24:31,098
you know, people talk
about astral projection

1530
01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:34,101
and all these, like,
awesome-sounding things,

1531
01:24:34,103 --> 01:24:36,470
like how they
get to fly around,

1532
01:24:36,472 --> 01:24:41,442
and, you know, I don't know,
do cool things.

1533
01:24:41,444 --> 01:24:44,445
And I don't get that.
I don't get, you know, those.

1534
01:24:44,447 --> 01:24:46,346
I just get
these weird experiences

1535
01:24:46,348 --> 01:24:49,283
where I feel like,
for a second,

1536
01:24:49,285 --> 01:24:52,419
<i>I can see something</i>
<i>that most people can't.</i>

1537
01:24:52,421 --> 01:24:57,558
Like, there's what we see
in the world...

1538
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,694
And right behind it,
you know, almost like...

1539
01:25:00,696 --> 01:25:03,497
It's like everything's
cellophane-wrapped or something.

1540
01:25:03,499 --> 01:25:06,633
And for half a second, that...
that wrapper's gone,

1541
01:25:06,635 --> 01:25:10,571
and I can see
or perceive something

1542
01:25:10,573 --> 01:25:14,875
a little bit more real...
or whatever real is...

1543
01:25:14,877 --> 01:25:16,443
and then It's gone.

1544
01:25:16,445 --> 01:25:18,679
But I can see it
for that half a second.

1545
01:25:18,681 --> 01:25:21,315
And so no matter what fear
or pain comes along with it,

1546
01:25:21,317 --> 01:25:23,684
I always get this experience,
where, even If It's in my head,

1547
01:25:23,686 --> 01:25:25,519
It's made something
interesting.

1548
01:25:25,521 --> 01:25:27,321
It's something
that I can pull from

1549
01:25:27,323 --> 01:25:31,525
that makes my life
almost kind of worth it,

1550
01:25:31,527 --> 01:25:33,327
which is, you know...
for a long time,

1551
01:25:33,329 --> 01:25:36,597
is something
I don't feel like I've ever had.

1552
01:25:36,599 --> 01:25:41,235
And It's gonna probably
just keep getting worse,

1553
01:25:41,237 --> 01:25:43,403
and I truly believe
that one day...

1554
01:25:43,405 --> 01:25:46,573
it will be the reason why,
like, one day I don't wake up.

1555
01:25:46,575 --> 01:25:50,444
And one day I'm just...
you know, I don't breathe,

1556
01:25:50,446 --> 01:25:52,579
I can't control the breathing,
and It's done.

1557
01:25:56,484 --> 01:25:59,219
<i>And I feel terrible</i>
<i>for whoever I'm dating</i>

1558
01:25:59,221 --> 01:26:01,488
<i>or married to</i>
<i>when that happens,</i>

1559
01:26:01,490 --> 01:26:04,424
<i>um, but I'm kind of ready</i>
<i>for that now.</i>

1560
01:26:04,426 --> 01:26:06,793
<i>Chris. Hey, Chris.</i>

1561
01:26:06,795 --> 01:26:08,495
<i>You know,</i>
<i>I'm ready for that to be,</i>

1562
01:26:08,497 --> 01:26:11,565
<i>you know, just kind of</i>
<i>what happens to me.</i>

1563
01:26:11,567 --> 01:26:16,236
<i>But I would like to figure out</i>
<i>a lot more about this</i>

1564
01:26:16,238 --> 01:26:18,906
before that happens,
and It's also made me feel

1565
01:26:18,908 --> 01:26:21,208
very comfortable with the idea.

1566
01:26:21,210 --> 01:26:23,477
Like, If something's happening,

1567
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:27,648
that's more than...
I'm just crazy.

1568
01:26:27,650 --> 01:26:29,583
Then something's happening.

