I will say...
... that you are now in a place...
where we bury something from yourself to protect you.
And we have been very... in pain...
... to make sure you are protected.
You also need to know... </ p >
... that this place should not be touched / disturbed.
And we want you to know...
... that this is not the place for you to stay.
You have to stay away from this place, and you will be safe.
Now I'm in this place, where you should never go.
We call it Onkalo. Onkalo means "hiding place".
At this time, it's not finished...
... even though it has been done in the century 20th, when I was a child.
His work will be completed in the 22nd century, long after my death.
Onkalo will have to survive 100000 years.
Not built by someone in the last 10 years.
But we consider ourselves is a strong civilization.
If we succeed,
almost certainly this will be the rest of our long civilization.
If you, sometimes get into the future,
find this, what will you tell us about ?
Nuclear Waste
The first time humans start using nuclear power to produce electricity
it's very clear that we will also produce some sort of waste
that must be considered so as not to... harm anyone.
And you can't just throw away nuclear waste.
You can't make it worse for no one.
So... some ways to clean up nuclear waste have been explored.
Send this in a rocket to the sun.
It's gone; it won't hurt anyone.
But how to make sure the rocket doesn't explode at launch?
Or fall into the ocean...
We won't be able to claim...
... that we can safely put something to the bottom of the ocean.
Because we still have impressions...
... that the ocean is the mother of all life.
That's not a safe way to deal with nuclear fuel residues or radioactive waste.
How much waste is there in the world now?
All of it?
I don't know.
Mungkin sekitar 200000 hingga 300000 ton.
The biggest possibility is that.
We really have huge amounts of waste.
If this waste spills into nature this will cause death and destruction.
A large area will be a safe place, for a long time.
Did that happen? Is there a forbidden zone without your life? </ P>
100 years ago, there are 3 generations of humans,
when radiation was first discovered,
we don't understand that it's very dangerous.
But we notice that it can be useful and we start working on it.
Radiation is the kind of energy which can enter into your body...
and harm your health. But this is an invisible danger.
We can't reason it: You can't see it, feel or smell it.
And it's still and can even kill you.
Radiation may be described as a small energy package.
And when radiation penetrates your body, molecules Human DNA, radiation can be deadly. </ P>
If your body is really caught feeling nothing,
up to 1 hour or something when you start feeling sick,
and maybe vomiting, and maybe also feeling poisoned.
When you feel better. After 2 weeks you start bleeding.
You have diarrhea and fever. </ P>
And after a few weeks you might get sick. </ P>
Radiation can also leave marks on you. </ P>
Can change genes. Mutate genes.
It may also cause defects. or diseases or abnormalities in organ function.
So: Beware! Never stay in the area contaminated by radiation levels. </ P>
And never touch objects or sources with high radiation! </ P>
So we store garbage / waste today above ground in a pool of water.
Alasa why waste is stored in water
is that water creates a radiation beam.
Save waste in the tank
which is likely to be 10 years, 20 years, the next 100 years.
1000 years...?
You cannot guarantee the balance of conditions above ground,
for example... for...
... well... for 100 years, leave it for thousands of years. </ p >
This storage [needs supervision.
It requires energy to cool the water pool.
Need maintenance.
But we can't save this garbage forever in the pool of airs.
There have been 2 world wars over the past 100 years.
The world is above the ground...
is not stable.
We have to find a permanent solution. Or a safe solution...
in a long time. </ p
My civilization depends on energy, unlike previous civilizations.
Energy is the source / currency for us.
Is it the same for you? </ p >
Does your way of life depend on unlimited energy?
What we have to do is pay attention to garbage from nuclear power plants.
Again and again, people who use nuclear power
are aware that they have to do something. </ P>
Kita memperoleh energi. Kita menggunakan energi.
Of course this is our mission to pay attention to garbage.
There is no way to do nothing.
This should be the responsibility of all levels of society.
Don't depend on nuclear power sources.
Connecting emissions from nuclear waste with nuclear power...
can easily deviate attention from the material we have...
and must also handle it in a responsible way.
Does not harm future generations.
This tunnel feels like a time capsule sometimes. </ P>
When you arrive in the morning...
it might be bright, almost like a summer out there.
When you exit at the end of the day...
it might snow like hell.
The weather will really change dramatically,
and according to you "How long will I spend my time in the tunnel?"
And so too: You go to work and when it's dark,
and when you go home after work it's dark.
And it feels like that time stopped
5, 4, 3, 2, 1, shoot!
Final disposal nuclear fuel...
is not implemented so far.
We are a sign in this field.
And we are faced with, time limits very long.
It means that this storage must last for at least 100000 years.
100000 years beyond our understanding and imagination.
Our history too short to compare.
How about you?
How far away is your future will have consequences in your path of life?
That's what we want to prove: That we can isolate garbage...
from other humans and living organisms for 100000 years.
We must conclude...
that bedrock, Finnish roughness...
1.8 billion years old...
is a medium which we can predict far into the future.
At least 100000 years into the future.
A very important factor is the storage area is all sufficient.
We don't have to look after it in the future.
It will be abandoned.
And that is a requirement. Because the soil conditions will change. </ p >
Under rock conditions will be stable.
But on the surface you will never know what will happen.
There could be war, economic pressure.
Above the ground, time runs so fast.
On rocks, time runs very slowly.
That is the most stable environment we know.
Olklluoto, Eurajokl has been chosen...
as a disposal facility to consume nuclear fuel.
Onkalo.
Where are you in the plan? </ P>
We are here somewhere. </ P>
Then we will begin to expand this area. Again, again, become the largest area.
A kind of big cave, or...
A big cave that is unimaginable... like a big underground city.
Storage actions like cocoon, if you like Russian dolls.
With complementary barriers.
If one barrier fails...
... another barrier you can reduce all the consequences.
The final disposal facility will be built in stages...
and decommissioned at in 2100.
When it's ready...
a thick concrete cover is made at the mouth of the tunnel.
We will fill the room at Onkalo with waste nuclear from Finland,
a small country in the south.
After 1 century we will seal Onkalo for ever,
just like graves in the sealed Pyramid...
... never reopened.
Safe disposal does not have to depend...
on active management or active supervision,
or human actions to be safe.
So it must be completely passive.
Storage will be closed; place it will be filled again.
This refill idea for returns the condition...
as before before we dig a tunnel.
It could be forest, or housing.
Hope that there will still be people,
don't expect the same person from the beginning.
But hope for their children and grandchildren... </ p >
will still live and make use of the land.
We always ask about the Ice Age...
like a kind of very dramatic change
in that situation . And of course that will have an impact.
If we look at our assumptions and scenarios...
that will happen between 60000 years from now.
Everything... disappeared...
... disappeared from here when the Ice Age arrived.
Everything will freeze, the vegetation will die...
and this will be more like... tundra.
Will the Ice Age be forgotten in the past?
Yes, I think it will be forgotten in this matter.
If you are someone who evaluates this concept from out there...
what will you fear?
None.
Once upon a time a man studied with a Fire expert,
no creature had ever lived before. </ P>
The man conquered the world. </ P>
A the day he found a new Fire,
A fire that is so strong that it cannot be extinguished...
That man feels...
that he now has power nature.
Then in horror he realized that the new fire he discovered was not only creating,
but also destroying. It could not only burn on land,
but all of life's creations,
into their children, animals, all of them.
The man went around looking for help, but no.
And he built a place, a hole in in the bowels of the earth, -
a hiding place from a burning fire... towards eternity.
Now you are in the tunnel.
This is not a respected place.
There is no pride in here.
You shouldn't have come here. </ P>
You're starting a direction somewhere where you shouldn't be coming. </ P>
A dangerous and disgusting place. </ P>
Danger will still be present, in your day, just like ours.
Please turn around and never come back.
There's nothing here for you. < br /> Go away.
My person believes...
that no human will take this place for a long time.
We know this will happen. That you can find and open Onkalo. </ P>
We call it "human interference / interference." </ P>
We don't want this to happen because you can be hurt.
But most of it...
we are afraid of human disturbances because if Onkalo is open,
wastes will not be isolated anymore of all living organisms...
and we will fail.
In fact, we consider you to be the main threat to Onkalo's security.
If someone in the future can dig up this storage...
it might be the same civilization we have.
In this case they will know a lot...
to find out about this radioactive material.
I think that is a scenario that allows, but I'm not enough sure.
That could be another situation.
I think if someone finds a facility like that in the future...
they might think of it as something religious.
A burial area.
Or a treasure.
If we see the Pyramid,
we can't really say that we understand everything...
about their significant erections.
But we can assume that this it could be the same...
for our storage.
This will be considered the same way as we interpret the Pyramid.
There is no clear understanding and it is very possible...
that we will not understand the future,
especially regarding the long term future.
What if someone finds the storage?
How do they know what it is?
They must have a measuring device to measure radiation.
What if they don't have that?
They will make a chemical analysis.
What if they can't do that?
They won't be able to dismantle anything also.
Ancient civilizations have done extraordinary things.
Look at the mining industry in Sweden,
in 16 centuries; they dropped a few hundred meters.
We must realize that the future scenario...
not only high-tech scenarios or low tech times.
We have a scenario in the middle,
where people might vibrate but not understand,
may not have the technology to understand what they are meeting.
The Roman Empire was born, lived, prospered, and died.
With same way, the West will pass through the same stage.
Born, developed, advanced, collapsed and died.
What do we know about society in 300 years?
It's almost impossible to say anything.
We might expect people as we know...
to stay there for 50 years again. For 100 years.
If you are sure what will happen later,
let's keep the questions in for 300 years, 500 years.
Then darkness will get thicker.
We know that society is very fast changing.
Can we imagine a society in the future...
where science and technology doesn't matter like they are troubling us?
Well, that is all the possibilities.
Maybe their technology is advancing, or even falling
And we don't really know. If we assume something in the future...
they can just go back to Neanderthals (ancient times).
I think it's a change that we will... more briefly.
Design and construction, implementation must be done... .
so that's not the knowledge needed in the future.
So it can be safe too in this case...
that people people lose their knowledge.
We usually joke.
"When we start digging up the storage,
the first thing we experience is a copper vessel,
exactly the same as the one We want it for our own place. "
Of course you will start thinking: " There must be a reason for this. "
You have a hidden treasure scenario
You have an idea that something is there, it's valuable.
People will start digging for it.
You can have a scenario where people even know...
is dangerous. But that is also valuable at the same time. </ P>
Can waste also have value in the future or even more? </ P>
Well, to answer that question, teur is bright, yes, it can be.
That is property.
There's a lot of copper, uranium, plutonium... That's valuable.
What can't be predicted is human behavior.
Who knows why people come and drill a hole?
There must be a reason to start digging with a depth of 500 meters...
in rocks that are average normal rocks!
But what can prevent them from doing that?
I don't know.
Can that knowledge be imperfect?
- Of course. - What about the warning sign "DON'T DIGE"? </ P>
It's possible for that, arguably, certain periods in the last time. </ P >
- What do you mean? - If you put a sign...
They call it a marker.
So this is a concept that...
Is an idea where has been reconsidered.
An area where the dump has been made...
can be marked using a marker.
A clear marker is an object with text / writing.
Like a stone throw.
This is a marker type...
with repeated messages < br /> in different languages.
General information about the area, and more detailed information as well.
And that leads to all parts of the marker system....
where you might have more detailed information than before,
if you go elsewhere in the same location.
There will be a message, for example.
This is a more detailed message than the one on monolith.
Then you have a message like a library in carved stone.
Maybe underground.
What is the content of the information?
To say that this is not an important place; this is a dangerous place.
Stay away from that location. And don't touch that location.
We will leave a message for you...
with all languages in our day.
Will you understand one of them? Can you read?
And that is certainly a wonderful scenario thinking.
How do you communicate? </ P>
We won't speak the same language. They don't have the same symbol. </ P>
We have to find something very common. </ P>
This is where cartoons come in, -
with low level perfection but it's a strong message. </ P>
This is an opportunity to give you a taste,
compared to a detailed message.
You will accidentally expect people to react to something scary,
rather than a detailed message.
Prohibition, "Landscape of Thorn",
a scene that will make you feel...
that this is something wrong, </ p >
this is not something interesting.
When you open Onkalo, do you see "Landscapes of Thorn?"
Does it make you doubtful?
Or maybe it's suspicious? What prompted you to enter?
Is this the mark we left on the surface? Or a rumor? </ P>
In terms of emotional information,
there is something interesting in Edvard Munch's picture, "Scream". </ P>
To describe something negative.
It shows despair.
It's very clear to the observer that it's not something good.
But what do you think this will be clear for all ages, every time?
I think it has a fair chance, I guess.
- Is this universal? - Universal for humans. </ p >
We are not sure how to solve the problem...
leaving a sign to warn you.
The message of the old civilization found in our time...
but it takes years to understand the language and its signs.
In part, we still can't read it.
If we put something the is not fully understood...
and people in the future don't understand what that means...
mereka akan mencaritahunya. Orang-orang mencurigainya.
Take an example from the Norwegian rock found below the surface of the ground.
Who has the requirement, that nobody has to move this...
"This should not be touched by the wrong hand". </ P>
But of course this warning is not supported by Archeology. </ P>
They ignore it completely. </ P>
So this is a very possible way...
in the future. </ P>
If we put the marker there,
it's not clear that they understand it's dangerous.
And even if they understand, they still want to know what it is.
Then there's a philosophical point...
which is a few people think that is better forgotten,
because later it will be a little preferred
that people will destroy the storage area exactly.
This has been discussed for to leave this facility forgotten.
Yes, I think there is 2 schools here. </ P>
Who thinks you have to leave a sign on the ground...
and those who say it will be better to avoid...
and forget about that location.
Do you really think...
that the marker left behind makes a high risk of being disrupted?
Well, I said, yeah.
Personally...
I don't see an annoying situation if the location is forgotten over time.
But how is it possible to make it forgotten and forgotten?
How is it possible to make facilities like Onkalo disappear from...
Well, you said it, you said, this isn't easy.
When the burial place completes...
and rests its new fire, and try to forget it,
he needs to know that only by forgetting he can be free.
But then he starts to worry...
children his son might find that place...
and wake the fire from his sleep.
So he asks his children to tell to their children... </ p >
and their children tell it and so on...
to remember forever...
to remind that hole to be forgotten. </ p >
Remember to forget it forever.
Some of the main principles included in legislation...
the first, limit the burden of future generations,
so that we cannot impose the burden on future generations.
The second principle is to protect future generations.
This means that the level of safety for future generations... </ p >
should not be lower than which is present today.
And the third principle is...
we have to convey information about the place of storage
for future generations.
Our legal status that we must tell you about Onkalo:
Maybe you need to enter...
if we look for something or if repairs are needed.
Are our calculations and assumptions accurate?
Did we make a mistake? That's why you're here ?
Transfer of knowledge... what does the law say about it?
I don't feel like it hasn't said anything yet.
- Are you sure? - No.
This is needed in a law whose judgment is decided.
But this is not popular.
Many people react to it. They think it's too ambitious.
It's needed that each generation...
let's say...
see that the system is enough.
But legislation says that you must convey the information.
This is not talking about generations.
It is said that it must provide...
the storage information becomes a permanent ethic.
"into permanent ethics". That's a word expression.
Do you think they mean that? </ P>
I think you should ask them. </ P>
Karena kita hanya membicarakan akan masalah itu saja.
Permanent is a word that is too strong to use here.
And what about the people who work with these things?
They are exposed to natural diseases, said.
It's a mess for them. They have "assignments".
- I really don't understand. I don't think anyone understands.
Responsibility moves to the statement
after they decide
that this is done now in an acceptable way.
So the Finnish statement is the responsibility for delivering information? </ P>
- In the future? - Yes, yes. </ P>
Does that mean when you deliver information about the facility,
this is how...
that can be understood by all future generations?
No, no. There is no need to make that understandable
by all future generations; It is in accordance with Finland. </ P>
We don't have an archive with information nuclear waste.
If we build a community archive for the future and a new generation...
must maintain information and update language.
But we cannot rely on continuity of thousands of generations?
What if people are starving and suffering?
What if there is war, flood or fire?
The archive has interests same...
like our temporary storage. These terms cannot be guaranteed.
After all, this is why we build Onkalo.
The point that the safety of the dumpsite and the storage...
is not dependent on this record.
Then why is this law needed?
I don't know.
The legislation has decided that note...
must arrive to be stated. But this is again said like that.
So the idea that the archive today should be the last period
then updated by the next generation?
Yes. Each generation must consider...
if the archiving method is suitable for the future.
Do you think will this happen?
Yes. I hope so, at least! </ P>
Can we learn something from the past...
that might help us communicate 100000 years after upcoming?
Usually, when we look at this time scale, we return to time.
It should, when you go 100000 years into the past,
we come to our ancestors in Africa.
And we also meet our ancestors in Europe.
in the form of the Neanderthal man (early man).
And you realize that we have it very small in general.
How do you make a parallel...
from someone who hunts big with a spear?
Suli explained to people about nuclear waste.
We can't assume that people or future creations...
will really understand a lot.
But maybe they have different thoughts than us?
Yes. Intellect, appearance, necessity and knowledge. </ P>
Semuanya lenyap. Tak ada satu pun pernyataan yang bisa bertahan.
Do you basically trust future generations?
We are trying to neutralize Onkalo
to be as free from human nature as possible.
Because we can't predict...
exactly how humans will behave in the future. </ P>
It's very difficult to answer that question. </ P>
Because... trust... and that aspect too...
K can't say I believe, I can't say I don't believe it.
This is an open question,
is it possible
someone will interpret something on the current time scale. </ P>
I have to say...
that the quick answer is nobody knows it all.
Jika kita tak mempercayakan pada penanda dan arsip-arsip bagaimana kau tahu?
Maybe our legend reaches you...
by repeating repeatedly from generation to generation...
like legends in the past reach us? </ p >
Are you warning about Onkalo by way of legend?
Did your parents tell you the story...
about fire in a deep cave in the bowels of the earth?
A place that must be remembered to forget?
Onkalo is the place to store the first permanent nuclear waste.
But when Onkalo was sealed...
it will hold back the shell of the rubbish we have.
We have to build more Onkalo again long before the earthquake and the eruption
to keep waste away from the surface of the earth.
We have to build more reservoirs that are expected to hide it from us.
Do you think it's appropriate to, e, talk about nuclear rise?
Most people think that way.
And many politicians believe that nuclear energy is needed...
... to withstand CO2 emissions from electricity production.
If we are going to take people in China and India...
to the same level as war country in the next 20 years...
you have to start making 3 new plants per day.
Spending fuel is a consideration as an ingredient can be recycled.
Which can be used again.
WWe shouldn't recycle it.
Regarding the fact that something like...
plutonium, which is extracted during the recycling process...
can be released, and can be used to make explosive bombs.
There is research into transmutation...
and hope that the waste can be made so it doesn't endanger.
- Is that possible? - In theory it's possible. </ P>
But in practice it might not be possible. </ P>
We have never been able to distance all nuclear waste in that way alone. </ P>
So there is no other way? </ P>
Now no one has found another way about it. </ P>
If you want to use nuclear energy, we will have nuclear waste.
I'm not sure that nuclear energy is the solution.
Maybe in the short term. That's my personal view.
But I don't feel this continuity will last long time.
- Maybe one decade later. Century. - Why are you thinking like that? </ P>
Sebab kita tak lagi memiliki uranium yang cukup.
This will be like oil.
I think we will all agree that this is not a sustainable solution.
And we will come there with uranium assets.
Running out of energy sources...
makes the global situation unstable
because this last energy source will compete
and even this can result in war between countries.
The essence of permanent disposal is permanent.
Stored underground forever and you never change that.
We have gambling "decisions under uncertainty".
And that is clearly a problem of nuclear waste.
There is a decision under uncertainty.
When you work on a project like this you have to say what you know,
and you must say that you know what you know that you don't know.
And also what you don't know that you don't know.
Can you now try to appoint listeners?
I mean listeners in the future, listeners far in the future?
I personally believe strongly...
that no human intervention will disturb Onkalo.
But if I'm wrong...
I'm happy to meet you... .
and try to communicate with you.
This may only be a testimony in our time...
You are now entering the place of the attacker [anan with the rest of the buccal fuel...
- This must be stored in a safe place. - It should not be disturbed.
Jangan ke sana. Berbahaya. Radioaktif.
You can't see it. You can't smell it.
- Don't touch anything. - Return to the surface.
Take care of our world more than us.
You will be safe if you stay away from here.
Good luck.
Now you're heading for the deepest tunnel.
Dan You got to the place that you should never go to.
Below here radiation is everywhere.
You don't know it, but something is happening at your body right now.
This is beyond your common sense.
You don't feel anything. Don't smell anything.
A light invisible is illuminating you now.
This is the last light in my courtesy,
who harvests the power of the universe.
Darkness falls asleep...
It happens in my life...
Get some sleep, all hope...
Sleep, all desires!
I can't see anything else
I lose my memory
from the bad and the good.
Oh, sad story!
I am a cradle...
Stone in the grip...
Inside is underground.