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but it's the only one
I've never done it.

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Eva Hesse is one of them
the greatest artists of the 20th century.

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The idea is to make artwork

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that is on the border
cannot be controlled.

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This is someone who does not
only make small-scale jobs,

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but someone who is capable
makes a very important statement.

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HESSE: I have the most
openness about my art.

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I am willing, really,
walk on the edge.

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And if I haven't reached it,
that's where I want to go.

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The sensibility is very beautiful.
And you can feel the tension in his voice

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when he talks about his work.

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HESSE: I'm very close,

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then change,

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destroy.

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I am not confident...

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Today's paintings aren't good...

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To be able to complete one
and survive.

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This is me.

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This is what I want to say.

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Eva's life and her art must join.

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He is not just manipulating material,

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he is the material.

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Everything falls on one point for it.

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And he ran with it.

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HESSE: One day,
will all fit together,

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and I feel capable
are there and ready.

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That will all be useful
for what I get from it.

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HESSE: I'm not a writer.

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Or, may you say,

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must be pretentious
to write down my thoughts.

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Autobiographical Sketch of a Meaningless Person.

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This is a story about who,
from outside,

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reveals a rather beautiful picture.

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Beautiful face,

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beautiful body,

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beautiful dresses.

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However, the person
doesn't feel beautiful inside.

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I feel, for the majority of my life,

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different, alone,
and separate from the others.

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To complicate
some problems,

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for the past years I have shown and
developed talent as a painter,

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good, at that time.

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Is that in my feelings
isolated and different

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can I claim
title of painter?

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What I received
as the answer

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that the true artist
is also paradoxically

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correct personal mismatch.

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Eva must be my father's favorite.

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Not because...

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Just because he, I think,
feels that he is more vulnerable.

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I am older
and I understand better.

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But I think that
he is very alkaline.

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Strong Eva.

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There are times when
he feels helpless.

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But he has courage
directly from the beginning.

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HESSE: When I was 16 years old,
I went to the Pratt Institute.

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And I don't like it at all.

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When you start painting classes,

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you have to do
lemon still life.

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And then, you pass
lemon and bread are still alive.

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And then, you pass to a lime,
bread, and the egg is still alive.

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This is not my idea of painting.

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I wait until I get As
instead of Cs,

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and say I stopped.

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I have to know that it's not
because I didn't do it well.

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So, I have to go home.

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As soon as I get there,
my stepmother says, "Find a job."

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So where do you go on 16-and-a-half,

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know very little
and have an interest in art?

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I take it myself
Seventeen Magazine.

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And for some strange reason,

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they hire me.

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I think that's just because
from bile comes there.

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He has experience
working in women's magazines

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and he said it was made
a big difference for him,

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that it gives him confidence.

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And he got some of his work
out into the world.

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HESSE: I take mid-year
tests for Cooper Union,

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and that's the only plan I made.

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I have to make it.

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I entered.

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And next September,
I went to Cooper Union,

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that I love from the beginning.

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Eva is certainly aware
that she wants to be an artist.

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But my father can't accept that.

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WILLIAM HESSE:
Dear Evachen,

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You are always very successful
in everything you do.

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But painting and learning
is a fun job.

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To stand on your feet,

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You have to do the things you feel
today is not so fun.

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And if someone has a job
or earn a living,

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This is something that
also gives satisfaction.

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HESSE: Dad, I want to do it
more than just being,

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to live happily and satisfied
with home, children,

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to do the same job
every day.

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I am an artist.

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I want to experience it
what life is offered.

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And I have to do this for myself.

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ROSIE GOLDMAN:
I met Eva when she was 17 years old.

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What fascinated me the most

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is his hand.

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He speaks with his hand.

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All vitality in him
comes through his hands.

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We spend a lot of money
the amount of time together.

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And that happens
very close friendship.

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HESSE: Dear Rosie,

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I dream that you and I
collaborate in a book

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Where we talk about our entire past,

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very honest, nothing is hidden.

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All parts.

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GOLDMAN: He lives on Jane Street.

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He has a small room
with a giant bed.

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He is very comfortable in this matter

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box, almost, a room.

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As long as he can
do his art, it doesn't matter.

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SYLVIA: We both
Go to Cooper Union and Yale.

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I am two years younger than him

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so I watch him.

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I have this feeling
he is someone who must be watched.

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He is very smart,

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articulate and beautiful people

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who needs someone to listen to it

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so he can finish it and work.

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He goes to Yale and learns to paint,

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famous for, most famous
with Josef Albers.

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HESSE: I am Albers'
small color researcher.

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Everyone always calls me like that.

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And every time he walks
into class,

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he will ask, "What is Eva doing?"

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The last two years may be
two of the most important,

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with the biggest changes
deep inside me.

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I have become a painter.

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SUSSMAN: He finished art school
in the late 50s

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and he went from Yale
to New York in 1960.

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Kennedy was elected.

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This is really
dawn of a new age.

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(UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING)

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HESSE:
I have moved very fast.

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I feel very alive.

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I am almost too anxious for every moment
and every future moment.

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Being an artist in New York City
in the 60s was really beautiful.

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That's a great time.

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In almost all aspects of work

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and music, literature, poetry,

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but especially in painting,

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everything is open.

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There is a feeling like that
we recreate the painting.

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HESSE: I will leave limits
and restrictions imposed on myself.

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I will expose me
superficial dishonesty.

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I will paint every rule.

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And you have to understand
that time,

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there is no art world.

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There are people who make jobs

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for themselves and for each other.

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And there are no products.

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Commodification does not occur.

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The art world hasn't been taken over by the collector.

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Nobody thinks about how much
money they will make.

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It all dedicates
your life to your work.

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And I know Eva also feels that.

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HESSE: Only paintings that can
now see me passing by.

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It really depends on each other
with all of me.

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This is what I found
that I can express myself.

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SOL LEWITT:
He came to New York and I met him.

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He just came out of Yale.

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Eva is very beautiful and cute,

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very lively and hip, and know a lot of people
_ because they are at Yale.

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I realized that he had something extraordinary about his work.

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HESSE: I started selling
and showed my work,

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in that order.

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One gives me confidence
to move on to another.

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International Watercolor Show
at the Brooklyn Museum

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and 3 young Americans,

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my show last night.

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This is the beginning of the full
in the middle of the art world.

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I've been with Tom Doyle
the last three days.

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I am very happy.

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There is a party held in
where my friend is.

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And I'm fighting.

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This person is making out with my girlfriend,

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so I hit it.

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Eva is at the party

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and he took me to the kitchen

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and wash my face,

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and he is very
good for me, you know.

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And that
the first time I met him.

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HESSE: Tom
a beautiful human

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and I enjoy
all aspects.

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It's real, life
and beautiful romance.

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Tom is an extraordinary, lively, poetic, funny Irish drunk at the time.

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GOLDMAN: Yes
warns him,

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that he comes from a very wild person,

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Really not good for him.

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But he gave him something that he needed.

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HESSE:
I feel he is really with me

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and I am with him.

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I have never felt this before.

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That summer, Eva and Tom
invited me to go to

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George Segal Ranch.

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DOYLE: All this
young artists will come

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From New York
to do this carnival.

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And there will be
a statue dance.

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I made a statue
like a fighter.

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And Eva, that's it
the first statue, really,

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is very, sort of,
formless.

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Two people enter and dance.

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And all these statues dance.

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GOLDMAN:
They are also happening.

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It's a live theater

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without any script.

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HONIG:
There is a dancer, Yvonne Rainer,

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who is dancing on the roof of the warehouse.

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SERRA: Artists interact
many dancers at that time.

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We think there are
more ideas generated in dance

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from those produced
by sculptors or painters.

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HONIG: Eva has made a tube

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made of cloth that people
are to stretch.

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That's fun.

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That is an artist who is playing
and having fun.

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HESSE: Everything is fine.

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It's been a wonderful week.

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I like Tom again every day.

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DOYLE: His father said, "I don't want you to marry anyone but a Jew."  So I repent.

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I became a Jew.
I mean, I go to shul,
I do all numbers.

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CHARASH: You know,
they are not interested in any religion.

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But for my father,

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and because of our German background,

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he joined with that
and Tom participated.

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DOYLE: Two or three of my friends
have never been Bar Mitzvah-ed,

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so we have a Bar Mitzvah.
We play
Notes Belle Barth, you know.
(LAUGH)

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And give each other a pen,

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the whole stick.

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Tom is a good and interesting sculptor,
just come to his adult job

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and Eva is clearly a good artist.

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But nothing
is unique there, not yet.

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But he is very ambitious

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and full of young art energy.

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DOYLE: We got attic
on 19th and 5th Avenue.

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That's a great attic.
It's half a long block.

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We rent some of that
for Ethelyn Honig.

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HONIG: One of the mornings I arrived,

250
00:16:01,860 --> 00:16:05,069
I told them about that fact
that I just saw

251
00:16:05,097 --> 00:16:09,512
a big exhibition in
Sidney Janis Gallery.

252
00:16:09,535 --> 00:16:11,446
It's called Pop Art.

253
00:16:11,470 --> 00:16:13,143
And I said, "I think
you have to go there

254
00:16:13,172 --> 00:16:15,618
" and look
and see what happens.

255
00:16:15,641 --> 00:16:17,211
"It will never be the same again."

256
00:16:21,814 --> 00:16:24,192
LIPPARD: Pop art, of course,
explodes into the scene

257
00:16:24,216 --> 00:16:25,286
and that's a big problem.

258
00:16:25,317 --> 00:16:27,490
Pop art is a kind of game changer.

259
00:16:33,726 --> 00:16:35,728
SUSSMAN: Discussion
that appears afterwards

260
00:16:35,761 --> 00:16:40,039
people for and against
are full of passion.

261
00:16:40,065 --> 00:16:42,238
And of course, Eva
always goes to the museum

262
00:16:42,267 --> 00:16:44,770
and know exactly what is happening.

263
00:16:44,803 --> 00:16:47,181
And I have a feeling

264
00:16:47,206 --> 00:16:52,246
that he might be
over Tom.

265
00:16:57,349 --> 00:17:01,627
WAPNER: He does not have
the truth received.

266
00:17:01,653 --> 00:17:04,429
And he checks and doubts

267
00:17:05,524 --> 00:17:07,299
and, um,

268
00:17:09,261 --> 00:17:11,332
thinking about things.

269
00:17:11,363 --> 00:17:15,470
HESSE: Should I force me
prejudice about painting?

270
00:17:15,501 --> 00:17:21,144
And for what level do I have to follow
what happened to the canvas at this time?

271
00:17:21,173 --> 00:17:24,916
BARBARA BROWN: When he was born
painting, he was very blocked.

272
00:17:24,943 --> 00:17:28,686
But the collage was originally

273
00:17:28,714 --> 00:17:32,856
extraordinary.
I mean,
he can draw like nothing.

274
00:17:32,885 --> 00:17:37,129
Every time he draws something, it is very beautiful.

275
00:17:37,156 --> 00:17:40,729
HESSE: For me,
painting has become that, making art,

276
00:17:41,593 --> 00:17:43,595
painting a painting.

277
00:17:43,629 --> 00:17:46,542
History, too many traditions there.

278
00:17:47,399 --> 00:17:48,969
I want to be surprised.

279
00:17:50,302 --> 00:17:52,475
I will continue to draw,

280
00:17:52,504 --> 00:17:54,245
encourage their individuality,

281
00:17:54,273 --> 00:17:56,549
even though they fight
every major trend.

282
00:17:57,643 --> 00:17:59,179
Damn it.

283
00:17:59,211 --> 00:18:00,815
So do everyone I admire.

284
00:18:07,352 --> 00:18:11,095
DOYLE: Eva works in a jewelry
save on Bleecker Street

285
00:18:11,123 --> 00:18:14,263
and I got a job teaching
in New School.

286
00:18:14,293 --> 00:18:16,204
And that's one of them
two jobs I have,

287
00:18:16,228 --> 00:18:19,266
and that's how we
live with it.

288
00:18:19,298 --> 00:18:22,040
And then what happens
is Arnold Rudlinger,

289
00:18:22,067 --> 00:18:23,910
director Kunstverein,

290
00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:26,849
and a group of German collectors

291
00:18:26,872 --> 00:18:28,874
see my stone carvings.

292
00:18:30,709 --> 00:18:33,280
Rudlinger will do it
give me a show in Basel.

293
00:18:33,312 --> 00:18:34,518
He said, "How do you
move these things?"

294
00:18:34,546 --> 00:18:37,425
I said, "You have to do it
build a box and a lala..."

295
00:18:37,449 --> 00:18:41,420
And Scheidt said, "Look, we have
very many stones like that.

296
00:18:41,453 --> 00:18:46,027
" Why don't you come
Germany and, you know,

297
00:18:46,058 --> 00:18:50,336
"you can make a statue in Germany
and we will send it to Switzerland, you know?"

298
00:18:50,362 --> 00:18:52,137
And I said,
"Yes, I will."

299
00:18:57,002 --> 00:19:00,347
Eva is a bit scared
about going there, you know,

300
00:19:00,372 --> 00:19:02,875
because what happened...
has happened to his family.

301
00:19:04,243 --> 00:19:06,655
HESSE: I sit here now
panic and cry.

302
00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:11,185
The pressure to go
weighs on me.

303
00:19:11,216 --> 00:19:15,187
I said, "Look, this is a good time
to get out of New York."

304
00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:17,097
Pop art is a big thing, now.

305
00:19:17,122 --> 00:19:18,897
We will let it subside.

306
00:19:18,924 --> 00:19:22,736
And Scheidt will give me
salary and everything, you know.

307
00:19:22,761 --> 00:19:24,104
We don't need to work.

308
00:19:24,129 --> 00:19:25,733
You know, we will only work on our work.

309
00:19:27,466 --> 00:19:30,572
HONIG: I remember he said
that he was scared

310
00:19:30,602 --> 00:19:32,741
to return to this place

311
00:19:32,771 --> 00:19:35,274
where he suffered greatly.

312
00:19:35,307 --> 00:19:39,153
CHARASH: But Sol LeWitt,
close friend, close confidant,

313
00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:42,182
push it, say it
he will be well served

314
00:19:42,214 --> 00:19:44,626
to get out
New York art scene.

315
00:19:44,650 --> 00:19:48,120
He will be able to work
in a much freer way.

316
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,100
HESSE: Dear Mr. Scheidt,

317
00:19:56,128 --> 00:19:58,870
I've started making it
preparation for our trip,

318
00:19:58,897 --> 00:20:02,606
so everything
becomes very real to us.

319
00:20:02,634 --> 00:20:04,045
That is Tom's chance.

320
00:20:04,069 --> 00:20:06,481
That Tom first
was asked to go to Germany.

321
00:20:07,406 --> 00:20:09,647
That is very difficult for him.

322
00:20:09,675 --> 00:20:12,588
But Eva doesn't allow it
an opportunity to pass.

323
00:20:12,611 --> 00:20:14,386
Eva is a risk taker.

324
00:20:14,413 --> 00:20:17,656
Even though Eva is a little
more than a wife at the time,

325
00:20:17,683 --> 00:20:18,923
but all that will change.

326
00:20:25,357 --> 00:20:27,132
(WHOOSHING TURBINES)

327
00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:50,989
(SPEAKING GERMANY)

328
00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:05,408
SUSSMAN: Tom and Eva
arrange in Kettwig,

329
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:08,070
this city has
these textile factories

330
00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:11,775
who have been in the family
Arnard Scheidt for hundreds of years.

331
00:21:16,408 --> 00:21:19,218
Where Eva and Tom live
are there,

332
00:21:19,244 --> 00:21:22,384
that is called...

333
00:21:22,414 --> 00:21:23,484
(SPEAKING GERMANY)

334
00:21:26,251 --> 00:21:30,222
But the part where they work

335
00:21:30,255 --> 00:21:32,360
it's already...

336
00:21:32,391 --> 00:21:34,337
JOHANN: That
has been closed.

337
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,134
HESSE: Our studio,

338
00:21:36,161 --> 00:21:40,132
upstairs with
skylights and windows every two feet.

339
00:21:40,165 --> 00:21:41,872
I sit and hope
I will work a few.

340
00:21:43,135 --> 00:21:45,308
I might have to do it
believe me more

341
00:21:45,337 --> 00:21:48,284
before work
means something to me.

342
00:21:48,307 --> 00:21:50,548
GABRIELE: First time
that I saw Eva,

343
00:21:50,575 --> 00:21:53,852
he gives me
very warm feeling,

344
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,386
feeling welcomed.

345
00:21:59,618 --> 00:22:01,029
I am five years old,

346
00:22:01,053 --> 00:22:04,899
and he invited me
to come to the workshop.

347
00:22:04,923 --> 00:22:08,132
He wants
show me how to paint.

348
00:22:09,795 --> 00:22:13,004
And of course, we play
a lot in the pool.

349
00:22:14,232 --> 00:22:15,711
(CHILDREN LAUGHING)

350
00:22:15,734 --> 00:22:19,079
You have this
playing water ball,

351
00:22:19,104 --> 00:22:21,744
and us... (CHUCKLES)
jump to the pool.

352
00:22:23,875 --> 00:22:24,945
That's amazing.

353
00:22:26,611 --> 00:22:29,854
He painted
for my other brother, Karl,

354
00:22:29,881 --> 00:22:32,487
image called Waterball Play.

355
00:22:33,385 --> 00:22:35,626
I think he also likes it,

356
00:22:35,654 --> 00:22:38,931
with us and just playing.

357
00:22:38,957 --> 00:22:43,428
So I have
very bright shows,

358
00:22:43,462 --> 00:22:49,902
but I also have, um,
some memories at the end of the year.

359
00:22:49,935 --> 00:22:54,475
There is something in him
which one, um...

360
00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:58,451
traurig, sad.

361
00:22:58,477 --> 00:23:01,856
I think it's hard for him,
are in this country.

362
00:23:03,982 --> 00:23:05,984
HESSE: June 13, 1964  Our sixth day here at Kettwig.

363
00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:09,491
Yesterday I had
some melancholy.

364
00:23:10,689 --> 00:23:14,136
I develop more
troubled thoughts and feelings.

365
00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:18,301
I was born in Germany, in 1936.

366
00:23:19,631 --> 00:23:22,874
(INFANT TALKING)

367
00:23:32,377 --> 00:23:33,913


368
00:23:33,945 --> 00:23:38,690
My family from Hamburg,
Germany, northern Germany.

369
00:23:38,717 --> 00:23:41,323
That's where I was born
and that's where Eva was born.

370
00:23:42,621 --> 00:23:45,033
HESSE: My father used to be a criminal lawyer.

371
00:23:45,056 --> 00:23:48,003
He just finished his two doctoral degrees  and I have the most
beautiful mothers in the world.

372
00:23:48,026 --> 00:23:51,439
He saw
like Ingrid Bergman.

373
00:23:51,463 --> 00:23:53,136
He studied art in Hamburg.

374
00:23:53,965 --> 00:23:55,876
CHARASH: My father keeps Tageb  cher
about my life and Eva's life.

375
00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:03,814
This is really a journal.

376
00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:06,551
WILLIAM:
Hope this book is from your childhood  being a guide
in the next life.

377
00:24:07,879 --> 00:24:09,415


378
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,724


379
00:24:13,285 --> 00:24:15,390
Inside, you will realize
how you grow up.

380
00:24:16,721 --> 00:24:19,827
All this may be lost,
my beloved child,

381
00:24:19,858 --> 00:24:23,567
because there is nothing
that supports us more

382
00:24:23,595 --> 00:24:25,472
in the difficulties of our lives

383
00:24:25,497 --> 00:24:27,704
from our childhood review.

384
00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:37,980
When Helen was born,
freedom and truth

385
00:24:38,009 --> 00:24:40,649
it's gone
from Germany.

386
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,425
It's been five months
that Hitler went berserk.

387
00:24:46,685 --> 00:24:49,689
German Jewish life changes very fast.

388
00:24:49,721 --> 00:24:53,533
When the Nazis arrived
came to power in January, 1933,

389
00:24:53,558 --> 00:24:56,004
there are so many flaws.

390
00:24:56,027 --> 00:24:58,007
People get hurt.

391
00:24:58,029 --> 00:24:59,906
They can't work in their profession
anymore.

392
00:24:59,931 --> 00:25:03,811
It is forbidden to work
as a Jewish lawyer called.

393
00:25:03,835 --> 00:25:09,285
WILLIAM: I lost my profession
on April 24, 1933.

394
00:25:09,307 --> 00:25:11,378
And then there are more difficult years.

395
00:25:13,411 --> 00:25:15,391
(Crowd Chanting)

396
00:25:24,489 --> 00:25:25,991
After November 10,

397
00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:28,800
when all synagogues
have been destroyed,

398
00:25:28,827 --> 00:25:30,966
all Jewish businesses are destroyed,

399
00:25:32,097 --> 00:25:35,237
almost all men
have been arrested,

400
00:25:35,267 --> 00:25:38,840
and the most terrible
cruelty of all kinds

401
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:43,785
has been done to
Jews throughout Germany.

402
00:25:43,808 --> 00:25:48,689
One try from abroad, at least, to save children as quickly as possible.

403
00:25:54,853 --> 00:25:56,355
On December 7th,

404
00:25:56,388 --> 00:26:00,666
Helen and Eva leave for the Netherlands
with the transportation of children.

405
00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:03,404
Will there be a reunion?

406
00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:06,304
Will we be killed first?

407
00:26:07,365 --> 00:26:10,175
We are not permitted on the platform.

408
00:26:10,201 --> 00:26:13,842
Helen and Eva hold hands
and line up to the train,

409
00:26:13,872 --> 00:26:18,719
accompanied by certified criminals
as customs officials and Gestapo.

410
00:26:22,914 --> 00:26:24,894
(SINGLE CHILDREN IN GERMANY)

411
00:26:39,464 --> 00:26:43,241
CHARASH: Eva is under three years old,
and I am five and a half years old.

412
00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:45,248
(CHILDREN CONTINUE LION)

413
00:26:46,104 --> 00:26:48,084
HESSE: We go to the Netherlands.

414
00:26:48,106 --> 00:26:51,610
We should be picked up by
my father's brother and his wife,

415
00:26:52,677 --> 00:26:54,987
but they are not allowed to do it.

416
00:26:55,013 --> 00:26:57,118
We were put in
home of Catholic children.

417
00:26:58,183 --> 00:26:59,821
CHARASH:
I remember Eva

418
00:26:59,851 --> 00:27:01,990
have been toilet trained
at home,

419
00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:07,129
but he must have retreated with all that
happened and they hit him.

420
00:27:07,158 --> 00:27:09,729
He fell ill
around the time of his birthday,

421
00:27:09,761 --> 00:27:13,038
and he is quarantined,
so they don't let me see it.

422
00:27:15,066 --> 00:27:16,568
WILLIAM:
At the beginning of February,

423
00:27:16,601 --> 00:27:19,707
Ruth and I were also saved.

424
00:27:19,738 --> 00:27:22,378
We come to the Netherlands
and pick up the children.

425
00:27:25,043 --> 00:27:26,989
HESSE:
My father's sister and his wife

426
00:27:27,012 --> 00:27:30,016
ends in a concentration camp.

427
00:27:30,048 --> 00:27:33,029
And all my grandfathers
and everyone.

428
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,223
Nothing works.

429
00:27:36,354 --> 00:27:38,561
But we succeeded.

430
00:27:38,590 --> 00:27:42,663
We go to America
through one of my father's cousins.

431
00:27:42,694 --> 00:27:45,004
It's finally
summer, 1939.

432
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:47,537
That's very, very late.

433
00:27:49,034 --> 00:27:50,843
That is the last chance.

434
00:28:07,485 --> 00:28:09,726
July 21, 1964.

435
00:28:11,056 --> 00:28:14,526
Rosie dear, slow week.

436
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:15,970
Do not push at all.

437
00:28:15,994 --> 00:28:18,201
Bringing it is easy.

438
00:28:18,229 --> 00:28:21,039
I don't know what
means to really investigate the past,

439
00:28:21,866 --> 00:28:23,209
family and such.

440
00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:25,880
I have to be too scared.

441
00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:31,176
The first two weeks here,
I experienced a terrible nightmare.

442
00:28:35,046 --> 00:28:36,047
A frightening dream.

443
00:28:38,216 --> 00:28:39,627
Big party.

444
00:28:39,651 --> 00:28:40,721
(JAZZ PLAYING)

445
00:28:40,752 --> 00:28:42,129
Hundreds of people.

446
00:28:42,153 --> 00:28:43,223
(CHATTER INDISTINCT)

447
00:28:43,254 --> 00:28:44,562
Official.

448
00:28:44,589 --> 00:28:45,659
(GLASS GLASS)

449
00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:48,136
Tom is very drunk.

450
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:51,971
I heard someone tell him,
"Bring your beautiful wife home."

451
00:28:54,299 --> 00:28:57,678
He took me outside,
ran with me, fast.

452
00:28:57,702 --> 00:28:59,443
(FOOTSTEPS RUNNING)

453
00:29:00,538 --> 00:29:01,642
hurt me.

454
00:29:06,678 --> 00:29:09,420
We go higher and higher
through the sky.

455
00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:14,086
There is a French Legion
parade below us.

456
00:29:16,988 --> 00:29:20,765
Officers out,
and with long sword swords

457
00:29:20,792 --> 00:29:23,033
cut off his head
from all legionnaires.

458
00:29:24,496 --> 00:29:27,204
I have to control Tom.
(ROARS)

459
00:29:27,232 --> 00:29:31,146
The officer then arrested us
and threw us into solitary confinement.

460
00:29:31,169 --> 00:29:33,672
We have swords
holding a few inches,

461
00:29:33,705 --> 00:29:37,118
I, by my screaming head.

462
00:29:37,142 --> 00:29:40,612
I can no longer control myself,
but be warned to behave.

463
00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:42,516
(TRAIN CHUGGING)

464
00:29:42,547 --> 00:29:45,357
They say that if I am
not a child,

465
00:29:45,383 --> 00:29:47,124
they will kill me.

466
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:57,167
Friday.

467
00:29:57,195 --> 00:29:59,402
Initially, I felt different.

468
00:29:59,430 --> 00:30:01,603
But again,
I go with myself.

469
00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:06,111
Start working on oil paint today.

470
00:30:06,137 --> 00:30:10,279
Are two small,
very expressionistic paintings.

471
00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:13,778
Feel a bit enthusiastic, because I enjoy
them and they look real to me.

472
00:30:14,979 --> 00:30:16,583
Somehow, I think it's important.

473
00:30:18,716 --> 00:30:21,788
I am still not functioning properly,
as I know in my mind it should.

474
00:30:22,954 --> 00:30:25,867
Tom can also find
working hard.

475
00:30:25,890 --> 00:30:30,305
Not so, because he knows what he is doing, what he wants to achieve.

476
00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:33,942
When will he speak
about his job,

477
00:30:33,965 --> 00:30:38,072
he will talk about it
enough self-deprecating term.

478
00:30:38,102 --> 00:30:41,914
He will say, "You know,
I am thinking of new things."

479
00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:43,942
And I think,
that's a funny thing to say.

480
00:30:43,975 --> 00:30:46,182
You will never say it
Face to face Tom.

481
00:30:47,645 --> 00:30:49,022
He is still not sure.

482
00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:52,719
Tom is sure.

483
00:30:57,188 --> 00:30:59,794
WERNER NEKES:
I met Eva and Tom Doyle

484
00:30:59,824 --> 00:31:04,898
during Short Film Days, short film film
in Oberhausen,

485
00:31:04,929 --> 00:31:07,808
and I remember that
Eva likes specifically

486
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:13,110
a Japanese film
by Yoji Kuri, Aos.

487
00:31:14,105 --> 00:31:15,083
(SUARAKAN)

488
00:31:16,908 --> 00:31:19,252
(SUARA LAGI)

489
00:31:19,277 --> 00:31:25,353
Eva takes the boxes as a scene
in some of her paintings later.

490
00:31:26,117 --> 00:31:27,095
(GASPING)

491
00:31:31,689 --> 00:31:34,135
Eva is ready all the time

492
00:31:34,158 --> 00:31:37,503
to take all the conclusions
he saw

493
00:31:37,528 --> 00:31:41,169
and work on them
to find their own way.

494
00:31:41,199 --> 00:31:42,507
(CHATTER INDISTINCT)

495
00:31:42,533 --> 00:31:46,913
Within 15 months Eva Hesse
is in Germany,

496
00:31:46,938 --> 00:31:48,849
there happens a lot.

497
00:31:48,873 --> 00:31:50,147
Together with Tom Doyle,

498
00:31:50,174 --> 00:31:53,883
he goes to every important
museum throughout Europe.

499
00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:57,587
They are in London,
in Paris, in Rome.

500
00:31:57,615 --> 00:31:59,788
HESSE:
Brussels.
Go to the museum.

501
00:31:59,817 --> 00:32:04,459
Bruegel and Bosch, Alechinsky, Matsys,
Calder, Moore, Chillida, Davie, Noguchi.

502
00:32:06,457 --> 00:32:07,800
PETZINGER:
He is someone...

503
00:32:08,693 --> 00:32:13,039
whose eyes are
open, open, open.

504
00:32:13,064 --> 00:32:16,204
And he needs food for his eyes.

505
00:32:19,871 --> 00:32:22,249
LEWITT:
Tom and Eva Doyle, Kettwig.

506
00:32:22,273 --> 00:32:25,618
Have a nice trip.
Now back to work.

507
00:32:25,643 --> 00:32:27,987
All sculptures are objects
one type or another.

508
00:32:28,846 --> 00:32:30,757
Don't fight it.
Go, go.

509
00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:31,760
Sol.

510
00:32:32,850 --> 00:32:34,887
DOYLE: We work
on each item.

511
00:32:34,919 --> 00:32:38,162
I mean, he helped me
when I painted my statue.

512
00:32:38,189 --> 00:32:42,137
And I help him, you know, as much...
I build frames, I build everything, you know.

513
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,367
Our personal life
is not so great,

514
00:32:44,395 --> 00:32:46,932
but our work life is very good.

515
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,569
Unless I drink
a little too much, then,

516
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,408
you know.
I drink a lot.

517
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:52,407
That's not very good.

518
00:32:54,005 --> 00:32:55,678
HESSE: Saturday, October 3.

519
00:32:56,741 --> 00:32:58,516
Tom makes someone faint.

520
00:32:59,777 --> 00:33:02,348
Tom is worse than before,

521
00:33:02,380 --> 00:33:05,293
and I cry and suffer all night.

522
00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:12,690
Dear Rosie,
My anger at Tom increases.

523
00:33:13,624 --> 00:33:15,103
This breaks at the breaking point.

524
00:33:16,627 --> 00:33:19,039
At parties, he is annoying.

525
00:33:19,063 --> 00:33:22,977
She goes from woman to woman,
dips it to the ground.

526
00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:24,605
They like it.

527
00:33:24,635 --> 00:33:27,741
I'm not proud, but I...
That's how I am, you know?

528
00:33:27,772 --> 00:33:30,514
And that's how everyone,
do you know?
It's like...

529
00:33:30,541 --> 00:33:32,020
That's like...

530
00:33:32,043 --> 00:33:35,286
That's why you are an artist,
You know, you are... (CHUCKLES)

531
00:33:36,914 --> 00:33:39,758
HESSE: Recently
got out of hand.

532
00:33:39,784 --> 00:33:41,320
You will be worried about this.

533
00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:43,958
He kissed them.

534
00:33:45,223 --> 00:33:48,033
Sounds weird to write this.

535
00:33:48,059 --> 00:33:51,768
But Rosie, my self-esteem
was there watching.

536
00:33:52,864 --> 00:33:53,865
It hurts.

537
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:58,541
He sort of backed up,
you know, and, uh...

538
00:34:00,371 --> 00:34:03,147
he never really came out
opposed it but you know,

539
00:34:03,174 --> 00:34:05,017
he is very hurt because of it, I think.

540
00:34:06,978 --> 00:34:08,252
CHARASH:
Eva writes...

541
00:34:08,279 --> 00:34:10,452
he always says that his art
is interesting.

542
00:34:11,783 --> 00:34:14,161
Personally, I think
he's messy,

543
00:34:14,185 --> 00:34:17,928
and professionally,
he forced himself to continue.

544
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,034
HESSE:
Thursday, November 19.

545
00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:27,100
I have reversed the new leaf.

546
00:34:28,032 --> 00:34:29,409
I will try another way.

547
00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:34,073
Making pictures for children
on Saturdays.

548
00:34:34,105 --> 00:34:38,576
They are colorful.
Red, blue, yellow, green.

549
00:34:38,609 --> 00:34:40,987
In the box, respectively
alphabetical letter.

550
00:34:42,246 --> 00:34:44,192
This makes me go again

551
00:34:44,215 --> 00:34:46,161
because they are different,

552
00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:48,926
enough to make me
wonder where I'm going,

553
00:34:48,953 --> 00:34:53,595
and are there any ideas,
or too many different?

554
00:35:03,301 --> 00:35:06,145
LIPPARD: I think maybe that
relationship is bad at a certain level

555
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:09,413
may have something to do with that.
You know, that's a terrible fact

556
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,250
of lots of creativity, when you
are not happy, you often do a better job.

557
00:35:12,276 --> 00:35:14,119
But, he's really

558
00:35:14,145 --> 00:35:16,352
don't depend on it
more,

559
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:20,123
I think, and really branch out
and do his own business.

560
00:35:20,151 --> 00:35:23,655
HESSE: Rosie dear, I want
explain what I've done.

561
00:35:23,688 --> 00:35:28,433
In the abandoned factory where we work,
there is a lot of garbage around here.

562
00:35:28,459 --> 00:35:32,601
I have, all this month,
see more garbage.

563
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:34,871
I finally started using some of that.

564
00:35:35,566 --> 00:35:37,546
I'm working on masonite.

565
00:35:37,568 --> 00:35:40,811
About this, I build forms
with glue and paper.

566
00:35:40,838 --> 00:35:44,809
In some forms, I have installed the umbilical cord.

567
00:35:44,842 --> 00:35:48,289
That's when he did Ringaround Arosie.

568
00:35:48,312 --> 00:35:50,292
Because I was pregnant with Joseph.

569
00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:52,722
HESSE: Yesterday and today

570
00:35:52,750 --> 00:35:55,856
I work on three
dimensional tools.

571
00:35:55,887 --> 00:35:57,798
Not finished,
but this is strange.

572
00:35:59,757 --> 00:36:01,361
I just don't know.

573
00:36:01,392 --> 00:36:03,303
Old story.
Defeatist.

574
00:36:03,861 --> 00:36:05,306
Can't wait.

575
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:08,139
Or not sure what I want.

576
00:36:12,603 --> 00:36:15,447
April 2, 1965  Dear Sol, this is for you I want to talk about what is on my mind.

577
00:36:15,473 --> 00:36:20,946
I am confident I am not enough to come
through with one idea.

578
00:36:20,978 --> 00:36:26,553
So I fluctuate between working
in confusion,

579
00:36:26,584 --> 00:36:30,464
or not working in confusion.

580
00:36:30,488 --> 00:36:33,435
When it doesn't really work,

581
00:36:33,457 --> 00:36:35,528
I still struggle with those ideas.

582
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,733
LEWITT: April 14, 1965.

583
00:36:43,701 --> 00:36:46,341


584
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:49,078
Eva dear,
you look the same as usual.

585
00:36:49,106 --> 00:36:50,915
And being yourself,
hate every minute.

586
00:36:51,609 --> 00:36:53,247
Don't!

587
00:36:53,277 --> 00:36:55,985
Learn to say "fuck you" to the world
occasionally.
You have the right to that.

588
00:36:58,482 --> 00:37:02,430
HESSE: I didn't find anything that I did gave me
feeling that this was true.

589
00:37:03,454 --> 00:37:05,456
Frustration and constant failure.

590
00:37:05,489 --> 00:37:08,629
LEWITT: Stop thinking, worry,
look back,

591
00:37:08,659 --> 00:37:13,074
wonder, doubt, fear, hurt,
hope for some easy, struggling,

592
00:37:13,097 --> 00:37:16,943
exit  grasping, confusing, nagging, moaning,
groaning, horse defecation, urine-trickling,

593
00:37:16,968 --> 00:37:19,574
nose sticking, eye-piercing ball,
ass-gouging, searching, perching,

594
00:37:19,604 --> 00:37:22,983
grinding, besmirching,
grinding, grinding, yourself.

595
00:37:23,941 --> 00:37:25,249
Just stop and do it.

596
00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:30,118
HESSE: I have finished drawing.

597
00:37:30,147 --> 00:37:31,751
Looks like hundreds.

598
00:37:31,782 --> 00:37:36,356
Clean, clean...
But crazy, like a machine.

599
00:37:36,387 --> 00:37:39,459
Bigger and bolder,
carefully explained.

600
00:37:39,490 --> 00:37:40,992
Absolutely absurd.

601
00:37:41,025 --> 00:37:44,131
LEWITT: Sounds good, amazing.
It really doesn't make sense.

602
00:37:44,161 --> 00:37:47,472
Do more.
More absurd,
more crazy, more machines.

603
00:37:48,366 --> 00:37:50,607
Make them abundant
with nonsense.

604
00:37:50,635 --> 00:37:52,615
HESSE: One must be satisfied
with the process

605
00:37:52,637 --> 00:37:54,776
and the results.

606
00:37:55,406 --> 00:37:56,908
I don't.

607
00:37:56,941 --> 00:37:59,717
LEWITT: Stop worrying
about big and deep things.

608
00:37:59,744 --> 00:38:03,851
You have to practice being stupid,
stupid, not thinking, empty.

609
00:38:04,715 --> 00:38:06,058
Then you will be able to do it.

610
00:38:07,184 --> 00:38:09,095
HESSE: I sit now after two days

611
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,828
working on stupid things,
three-dimensional ones.

612
00:38:11,856 --> 00:38:15,633
And I have to continue,
but I don't know where I come from.

613
00:38:16,727 --> 00:38:18,434
So I give up again.

614
00:38:18,462 --> 00:38:21,204
LEWITT: Your work is very good.

615
00:38:21,232 --> 00:38:24,975
Try doing a bad job, the worst for you
can think about, and see what happens.

616
00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:30,477
But especially, just relax
and lei all go to hell.

617
00:38:30,508 --> 00:38:32,249
You are not responsible for the world.

618
00:38:32,276 --> 00:38:34,620
You are only responsible for your work.

619
00:38:34,645 --> 00:38:35,749
So do it.

620
00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:41,524
HESSE: April 23.

621
00:38:41,552 --> 00:38:43,828
Work all afternoon.

622
00:38:43,854 --> 00:38:45,834
Finish the Ear in the Pool.

623
00:38:58,135 --> 00:39:00,741
Dear Sol, I want to thank
for your letter.

624
00:39:01,372 --> 00:39:03,045
I finish one more.

625
00:39:03,074 --> 00:39:04,747
They are good.

626
00:39:04,775 --> 00:39:06,516
I'm working on the third.

627
00:39:06,544 --> 00:39:10,287
Many difficulties, but at least
I encourage, and I will.

628
00:39:10,815 --> 00:39:11,919
I swear.

629
00:39:26,163 --> 00:39:27,665
NEKES: That's really new,

630
00:39:27,698 --> 00:39:31,771
leave the
frame and become part of the image.

631
00:39:31,802 --> 00:39:34,578
Some artists work
out of the frame,

632
00:39:34,605 --> 00:39:39,281
but almost nothing
is very radical like Eva.

633
00:39:44,348 --> 00:39:45,383
SEROTA: This doesn't work like that

634
00:39:45,416 --> 00:39:47,623
you've ever seen before.

635
00:39:47,651 --> 00:39:51,121
They are made for themselves, they are not made for hearings.

636
00:39:51,155 --> 00:39:53,795
They are made in the same way as...

637
00:39:55,393 --> 00:39:58,602
the diary is created,
or the notebook is made.

638
00:39:58,629 --> 00:39:59,767
He is browsing.

639
00:39:59,797 --> 00:40:02,107
Do you know?
I mean,
you see it at work.

640
00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:05,273
You see him trying
different combinations.

641
00:40:40,571 --> 00:40:44,041
My parents love it
the work of Eva and Tom.

642
00:40:45,209 --> 00:40:46,950
And they want to show it.

643
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,226
They think, "Well,
let's party together

644
00:40:51,248 --> 00:40:56,698
" and show people what Eva and Tom
have done this year here at Kettwig. "

645
00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:11,439
That really is an event.

646
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:14,541
Oxenfest, as we call it,
like a group of cows,

647
00:41:14,572 --> 00:41:19,681
and where an intact cow is located
uses saliva and then roasts.

648
00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:24,259
NEXT: This is a big exhibition.

649
00:41:24,281 --> 00:41:27,228


650
00:41:27,251 --> 00:41:30,357


651
00:41:30,387 --> 00:41:32,867


652
00:41:33,858 --> 00:41:37,271
in a small garden house.

653
00:41:37,294 --> 00:41:39,797
But people
are interested in their work.

654
00:41:42,066 --> 00:41:43,306
HESSE: The program is going well.

655
00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:44,938
I sell two.

656
00:41:44,969 --> 00:41:49,042
I will also show August 6, in the
room in Kunsthalle, D  sseldorf chart.

657
00:41:50,341 --> 00:41:53,220
PETZINGER:
He came to Germany as a painter.

658
00:41:53,244 --> 00:41:56,521
Being in the world of new influences

659
00:41:56,547 --> 00:42:02,395
helps him create
his new art universe,

660
00:42:02,419 --> 00:42:05,593
that's the point
there's no way back, huh?

661
00:42:05,623 --> 00:42:07,625
Now he is a sculptor.

662
00:42:07,658 --> 00:42:09,638
(CHATTER INDISTINCT)

663
00:42:11,896 --> 00:42:15,343
CHARASH: Eva is in Germany
almost a full year

664
00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:18,870
before he goes
to find the background.

665
00:42:18,903 --> 00:42:21,110
My father has
providing information,

666
00:42:21,138 --> 00:42:24,142
name and address,
and he looks for them.

667
00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:29,525
(TRAIN CHUGGING)

668
00:42:31,415 --> 00:42:34,953
He went to Hameln,
where my mother was born.

669
00:42:34,985 --> 00:42:38,933
HESSE: We took the train to Hameln,
immediately find a house.

670
00:42:39,924 --> 00:42:42,165
Very strange.

671
00:42:42,192 --> 00:42:46,834
Mrs. Wolfe, neighbor,
two mother's school friends.

672
00:42:46,864 --> 00:42:50,835
Visit all workers,
ex, my grandfather.

673
00:42:54,905 --> 00:42:58,580
It's a strange experience,
like a secret mission,

674
00:42:59,777 --> 00:43:02,883
a new generation looking for the past.

675
00:43:02,913 --> 00:43:07,293
I, don't know anything
my family, my grandparents.

676
00:43:10,054 --> 00:43:11,089
Depart to Hamburg.

677
00:43:12,156 --> 00:43:13,464
Go to Isestrasse.

678
00:43:14,358 --> 00:43:16,133
Crying.

679
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,972
CHARASH: He went to that place
where we live,

680
00:43:19,997 --> 00:43:22,910
and rejected
by someone at the door,

681
00:43:22,933 --> 00:43:24,537
which is very hard for him.

682
00:43:25,803 --> 00:43:27,749
JOHANN: To not let it in,
let him see his house,

683
00:43:27,771 --> 00:43:29,307
I think it's terrible.

684
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:34,756
So that only retrospectively can I lead
to understand how very difficult

685
00:43:34,778 --> 00:43:36,780
definitely for him
to face his past again.

686
00:43:41,552 --> 00:43:45,329
HESSE: Dear Sol,
just returned from H and H.

687
00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:48,866
Visiting where I was born in Hamburg,

688
00:43:48,892 --> 00:43:50,803
in Hameln, my mother's house.

689
00:43:52,696 --> 00:43:53,936
The scene is enough to try.

690
00:43:54,765 --> 00:43:56,574
Tears all around,

691
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,409
and talk a lot about that time

692
00:43:58,435 --> 00:44:00,506
when no one knows
what is happening.

693
00:44:02,006 --> 00:44:04,509
I am a ghost from the past.

694
00:44:04,541 --> 00:44:06,885
Their guilt and everything
just flows out.

695
00:44:08,012 --> 00:44:09,855
At times and better actions.

696
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:10,915
(SEAGULLS SCREECHING)

697
00:44:10,948 --> 00:44:12,985
Yes, Sol, we go home.

698
00:44:22,993 --> 00:44:24,995
(TRAFFIC BUSTLING)

699
00:44:34,104 --> 00:44:39,019
Travel to Germany, with everything
danger, empower.

700
00:44:40,778 --> 00:44:44,954
I think he is back
very, very satisfied

701
00:44:46,016 --> 00:44:48,257
that he really has gone.

702
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:53,763
HESSE: September 30.
Almost one complete in the US

703
00:45:03,033 --> 00:45:05,206
Dear Arnhard, Say Isa,

704
00:45:05,235 --> 00:45:08,375
we work hard
and are also very busy socially.

705
00:45:09,807 --> 00:45:12,754
Years in Kettwig,
Arnhard dear, more,

706
00:45:12,776 --> 00:45:15,086
more than a few
help us both.

707
00:45:16,513 --> 00:45:19,722
The work we are doing now
shows how much we are growing

708
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:23,061
and developed because of the
beautiful years you gave us.

709
00:45:25,522 --> 00:45:26,796
LIPPARD: When Eva goes to Germany,

710
00:45:26,824 --> 00:45:29,202
he is sort of
expressionist post-abstract.

711
00:45:29,226 --> 00:45:32,605
When he returns,
he is a funny type of surrealist.

712
00:45:32,629 --> 00:45:35,940
Work in Germany
clearly has released him.

713
00:45:35,966 --> 00:45:37,843
And then he returns,
and I think at that time

714
00:45:37,868 --> 00:45:40,712
he fell a little down
minimalist influence.

715
00:45:40,738 --> 00:45:42,081
I don't think anyone
discourages him

716
00:45:42,106 --> 00:45:44,313
of strange little things
he does in Germany,

717
00:45:44,341 --> 00:45:46,651
but the art world is running
in a different direction

718
00:45:46,677 --> 00:45:48,782
and he intuitively takes it.

719
00:46:00,357 --> 00:46:01,597
When a minimalist comes,

720
00:46:01,625 --> 00:46:04,037
there is a whole new world.

721
00:46:04,061 --> 00:46:09,602
You know, there are no curves, no color, nothing.
Presence only.

722
00:46:09,633 --> 00:46:11,613
That's a lot about attendance.

723
00:46:11,635 --> 00:46:15,378
People say, "You're minimalist.
What does that mean?"

724
00:46:15,405 --> 00:46:19,751
And I said I had to get rid of it
from a lot of useless garbage

725
00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:21,916
and immediately go down
to some important things.

726
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,654
I think minimalism comes out
abstract expressionism.

727
00:46:26,683 --> 00:46:30,096
This is softened
, uh, brush strokes.

728
00:46:31,822 --> 00:46:34,632
At the same time,
is another tradition,

729
00:46:34,658 --> 00:46:37,605
people whose jobs are more
personal and more intense,

730
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,301
and maybe more surreal.

731
00:46:41,064 --> 00:46:44,671
Eva, of course, is a transitional,
from minimalist,

732
00:46:44,701 --> 00:46:48,410
his friends are all minimalist,
but he is very personal.

733
00:46:48,438 --> 00:46:50,543
There are lots of
eroticism in his work.

734
00:46:50,574 --> 00:46:55,455
It is very warm and humane
and full of soul.

735
00:46:55,479 --> 00:46:58,050
HESSE: I feel very strong
that is the only art

736
00:46:58,081 --> 00:47:01,893
is the artist's art itself.

737
00:47:01,919 --> 00:47:05,833
My interest is solely
find my own way.

738
00:47:05,856 --> 00:47:08,598
I don't mind miles
from other people.

739
00:47:10,561 --> 00:47:13,838
He talks a lot about
_ eccentricity and absurdity,

740
00:47:13,864 --> 00:47:18,745
certain absurdities,
that life is absurd,

741
00:47:18,769 --> 00:47:20,771
his current life doesn't make sense,

742
00:47:20,804 --> 00:47:24,115
and he wants it
to get it into work.

743
00:47:25,576 --> 00:47:27,419
HOLT: I only remember that wall

744
00:47:27,444 --> 00:47:30,618
where he has all of that
different pieces depend.

745
00:47:30,647 --> 00:47:34,754
I saw him rearrange one of them
long pieces of sausage.

746
00:47:34,785 --> 00:47:39,734
And he is rather tall
in that silliness.

747
00:47:39,756 --> 00:47:45,832
The life is so full
synchronous oddity,

748
00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:50,005
and there is a feeling that,
is good, we are not in control.

749
00:47:50,033 --> 00:47:52,980
The universe pulls ropes

750
00:47:53,003 --> 00:47:57,452
and you might also
back and enjoy it.

751
00:47:57,474 --> 00:48:00,421
LIPPARD: I look back at that period
with Eva's work and think,

752
00:48:00,444 --> 00:48:02,890
"Oh, that is an introduction to feminist art."

753
00:48:04,381 --> 00:48:07,624
HESSE: Of course I am an adult
in myself.

754
00:48:07,651 --> 00:48:10,564
I think my hang-up now
is almost all related to Tom.

755
00:48:11,755 --> 00:48:15,066
DOYLE: We have two lofts in Bowery.

756
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,136
We live in 134

757
00:48:19,162 --> 00:48:23,770
and my studio is at 135 Bowery,
right across the street.

758
00:48:24,868 --> 00:48:26,643
I will... I have worked all the time.

759
00:48:27,504 --> 00:48:28,676
(JAZZ MUSIC PLAY)

760
00:48:28,705 --> 00:48:29,877
(TRAFFIC SPREAD)

761
00:48:31,241 --> 00:48:33,915
HESSE:
Now at 12:30 a.m.

762
00:48:33,944 --> 00:48:39,189
I am alone, Tom never
with me again.

763
00:48:39,216 --> 00:48:41,992
Walking as usual
and running to and fro.

764
00:48:43,053 --> 00:48:45,090
He goes to
openings and parties.

765
00:48:45,122 --> 00:48:47,796
But those things
he didn't come with me.

766
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:52,003
DOYLE: He is very difficult,
You know, in many ways.

767
00:48:52,029 --> 00:48:54,066
I'm not the only bad person
about everything.

768
00:48:54,097 --> 00:48:58,671
It feels like he is
very high maintenance, you know?

769
00:49:01,104 --> 00:49:04,574
Christmas comes and I buy this beautiful pipe.

770
00:49:05,575 --> 00:49:08,784
And I go home and Eva says,

771
00:49:08,812 --> 00:49:11,793
"How much is the price?"
I said, "35 dollars."

772
00:49:11,815 --> 00:49:13,351
He said, "Get out."

773
00:49:14,718 --> 00:49:17,756
And that's the words
I'm waiting and I'm leaving.

774
00:49:19,222 --> 00:49:20,462
HESSE: Everything ends.

775
00:49:21,224 --> 00:49:22,362
Tom is missing.

776
00:49:23,527 --> 00:49:24,631
He wants a divorce.

777
00:49:26,096 --> 00:49:28,235
I mess everything up.
Request.

778
00:49:28,999 --> 00:49:31,275
He is indifferent.

779
00:49:31,301 --> 00:49:35,147
I am tired and feel tired again
and used and utilized.

780
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,677
That is Eva who is childish,

781
00:49:38,709 --> 00:49:42,680
one that is haunted
by the isolation of the past and its loneliness.

782
00:49:42,713 --> 00:49:45,887
What was left by
by his sick mother

783
00:49:45,916 --> 00:49:49,090
and therefore cannot
have been done otherwise.

784
00:49:55,692 --> 00:49:56,727
CHARASH: That's difficult.

785
00:49:58,028 --> 00:50:01,498
My mother is what
we call it bipolar today.

786
00:50:04,801 --> 00:50:07,304
HESSE:
My mother is there, but not there.

787
00:50:08,605 --> 00:50:11,415
There, but not there.

788
00:50:11,441 --> 00:50:13,921
CHARASH: My mother is very
when it's hard to adapt.

789
00:50:13,944 --> 00:50:17,187
And then it appears on the head
at a certain point,

790
00:50:17,214 --> 00:50:22,163
and then he felt like that
could no longer take care of us and he left.

791
00:50:24,621 --> 00:50:26,623
HESSE:
I was moved from house to house,

792
00:50:26,656 --> 00:50:28,431
and used to be afraid.

793
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:31,334
CHARASH:
That is the end of the war.

794
00:50:31,361 --> 00:50:34,570
And so far, my father
has been trying to get

795
00:50:34,598 --> 00:50:37,408
my mother's parents
out of Germany.

796
00:50:37,434 --> 00:50:39,345
But that all has no results.

797
00:50:39,369 --> 00:50:41,872
And when my mother
gets notifications

798
00:50:41,905 --> 00:50:47,321
that his parents were taken to
concentration camps and they have died,

799
00:50:47,344 --> 00:50:50,951
uh, he jumped from the roof.

800
00:50:55,419 --> 00:50:57,626
My father didn't tell us.

801
00:50:57,654 --> 00:50:59,395
It's in the paper,

802
00:50:59,423 --> 00:51:02,632
and children teased
my sister at school,

803
00:51:02,659 --> 00:51:04,332
and he refused to go to school.

804
00:51:07,998 --> 00:51:12,071
HESSE: I have extraordinary fears,
extraordinary fear.

805
00:51:12,102 --> 00:51:15,948
I told my father to slip my blanket
tight into my bed,

806
00:51:15,972 --> 00:51:19,510
who has bars at the bottom,
which I will hold at night.

807
00:51:19,543 --> 00:51:20,681
And he must tell me

808
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:23,316
that he will be there to take
Care for me in the morning.

809
00:51:24,981 --> 00:51:27,587
CHARASH: Eva is ten years old
my mother died, to be exact.

810
00:51:27,617 --> 00:51:30,154
That's exactly around
the time of his birthday.

811
00:51:30,187 --> 00:51:33,225
And that's why January is the worst month of the year for him.

812
00:51:39,396 --> 00:51:43,435
Eva continued to get upset
years after my mother died.

813
00:51:43,467 --> 00:51:47,381
And at the urging of my stepmother, they are looking for therapists  and Eva start
to see Dr. Helene Papanek.

814
00:51:47,404 --> 00:51:49,975
HESSE: Please, Dr. Papanek.

815
00:51:51,875 --> 00:51:53,548
You must help me.

816
00:51:54,344 --> 00:51:56,221
Or maybe soon
I will be with my mother.

817
00:51:56,246 --> 00:51:58,283
I will talk to you.
I will tell you all.

818
00:51:59,516 --> 00:52:02,554


819
00:52:02,586 --> 00:52:03,564
I hope I can.

820
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:09,264
SUSSMAN: He suffered greatly from his situation  childhood,

821
00:52:09,292 --> 00:52:10,930
and this therapy
is very important to him.

822
00:52:10,961 --> 00:52:15,501
HESSE: I can't
hold solitude,

823
00:52:21,538 --> 00:52:23,643
because it shows neglect.

824
00:52:23,673 --> 00:52:26,153
CHOCOLATE:
He is not happy with Tom,

825
00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:28,748
and he is not happy without him.

826
00:52:28,778 --> 00:52:31,281
But then, he works a lot

827
00:52:31,314 --> 00:52:33,225
and that

828
00:52:33,683 --> 00:52:34,684
cover up his unhappiness.

829
00:52:35,919 --> 00:52:40,390
HESSE: All of my bets are in my work.

830
00:52:42,492 --> 00:52:44,631
I have given up on other things.

831
00:52:45,462 --> 00:52:47,135
I feel I'm an artist,

832
00:52:51,868 --> 00:52:54,678
and one of the best.

833
00:52:54,704 --> 00:52:56,274
I do it, inside.

834
00:52:57,374 --> 00:52:58,751


835
00:53:10,253 --> 00:53:13,325
GOLDMAN: The strength of its purpose

836
00:53:13,356 --> 00:53:16,860
more important than what is happening
occurs in his life.

837
00:53:18,094 --> 00:53:20,335
HESSE: Finish two pieces today.

838
00:53:20,363 --> 00:53:22,502
I work hard.

839
00:53:22,532 --> 00:53:25,445
GOLDMAN: He crawls
on the floor sometimes,

840
00:53:25,468 --> 00:53:27,470
because of Tom's business,

841
00:53:27,504 --> 00:53:29,279
and art still continues.

842
00:53:32,175 --> 00:53:34,712
HESSE: Dear Isa, Arnhard dear.

843
00:53:34,744 --> 00:53:37,190
The last months
have been very difficult.

844
00:53:38,048 --> 00:53:39,959
How sad things happen.

845
00:53:39,983 --> 00:53:42,862
Tom and I are separated.

846
00:53:42,886 --> 00:53:47,266
At the same time, very many
occur for both of us in our work.

847
00:53:47,290 --> 00:53:51,295
We both have an exhibition opening
the same night, March 1.

848
00:54:02,672 --> 00:54:06,210
I go there to the Graham
Gallery when he first shows,

849
00:54:06,243 --> 00:54:09,383
because I really want it
to see what he is doing.

850
00:54:09,412 --> 00:54:10,914
And I'm just stunned.

851
00:54:22,292 --> 00:54:24,533
He does this great job,
Phone Cover.

852
00:54:25,295 --> 00:54:27,775
That's like, very brave.

853
00:54:27,797 --> 00:54:30,073
I mean it's like a
jump for work.

854
00:54:34,571 --> 00:54:37,552
And that's an extraordinary one
the statues of that time.

855
00:54:37,574 --> 00:54:39,952
I mean it can't be trusted.

856
00:54:41,244 --> 00:54:42,848
That's not a painting.

857
00:54:42,879 --> 00:54:44,358
It's not a statue.

858
00:54:44,914 --> 00:54:47,758
That's just art.

859
00:54:47,784 --> 00:54:51,288
HESSE: Hang Up is the most important
the initial statement I made.

860
00:54:51,321 --> 00:54:54,859
This is the first time
my idea of absurdity,

861
00:54:54,891 --> 00:54:56,893
extreme feelings
come through.

862
00:54:57,894 --> 00:54:59,464
He uses sheets

863
00:55:00,630 --> 00:55:02,268
from my house.

864
00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:05,337
He said, "Rosie, do you have
every sheet I can use?

865
00:55:05,935 --> 00:55:07,642
" Preferably blue. "

866
00:55:07,671 --> 00:55:09,582
I say," Sure, take the sheets. "

867
00:55:09,606 --> 00:55:12,018
= and there is such a thing
sage-like, spiritual feeling

868
00:55:12,042 --> 00:55:17,424
someone who uses space like that.

869
00:55:17,447 --> 00:55:19,927
And I always... every time I see it,
I say, "Ooh, that's my sheet."

870
00:55:21,951 --> 00:55:24,795
= (LAUGH)

871
00:55:24,821 --> 00:55:25,799
HESSE:
It's all ridiculous.

872
00:55:27,524 --> 00:55:29,526


873
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:32,403
That's the most ridiculous
structure I've ever made,

874
00:55:32,429 --> 00:55:34,636
and that's why it's so good.

875
00:55:37,634 --> 00:55:40,274
CHARASH:
My father came to the gallery.

876
00:55:40,303 --> 00:55:44,217
He looks very assertive
and is very unhappy.

877
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:48,154
Knowing my father, he must be proud
Eva is at an exhibition.

878
00:55:48,178 --> 00:55:50,954
But I think he is fair
confused with art

879
00:55:51,981 --> 00:55:53,517
and don't understand it.

880
00:56:02,592 --> 00:56:05,903
I am very crazy about Eva.

881
00:56:05,929 --> 00:56:10,309
And I have learned that a lot of men fall in love with Eva.

882
00:56:11,868 --> 00:56:14,075
He is very full of feelings.

883
00:56:14,104 --> 00:56:18,143
I'm not sure how orthodox
or practicing Eva's family is,

884
00:56:18,174 --> 00:56:20,313
but the Jewishness is clear.

885
00:56:21,211 --> 00:56:24,249
This is spirituality

886
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,988
and I think it expresses itself
in Eva's art.

887
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,972
HONIG: He is making
this circle on the grid.

888
00:56:40,997 --> 00:56:45,139
And I gave him this paper
which is clay-based,

889
00:56:45,168 --> 00:56:48,672
and he likes it, because it is soaked
ink in certain ways.

890
00:56:54,444 --> 00:56:58,517
They are very beautiful
and I never forget.

891
00:56:58,548 --> 00:57:02,360
They say something to me
that I want in my work.

892
00:57:09,492 --> 00:57:14,032
HESSE: Weather varies from 103 to
107 degrees Fahrenheit.

893
00:57:14,063 --> 00:57:16,873
Sol and I go
to Modern and film.

894
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:20,347
WAPNER: There is a very strong relationship between Sol and Eva.

895
00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:21,815
They have a lot in common

896
00:57:21,838 --> 00:57:23,442
and really care about each other.

897
00:57:23,473 --> 00:57:25,214
And he told me that,

898
00:57:25,241 --> 00:57:30,247
"It would be great if I could love Sol
and if we could be together."

899
00:57:33,116 --> 00:57:36,222
HESSE: Days gone
with the most unbearable heat.

900
00:57:36,252 --> 00:57:37,788
I am afraid to give way.

901
00:57:38,655 --> 00:57:40,464
Without Sol, I will do it.

902
00:57:41,658 --> 00:57:44,605
BROWN: He adores
and never gets tired

903
00:57:44,627 --> 00:57:48,734
from pampering him
and being kind to him

904
00:57:48,765 --> 00:57:53,077
and become inspiration.

905
00:57:53,102 --> 00:57:55,275
ANDRE: Eva is love
Sol LeWitt's life.

906
00:57:56,673 --> 00:57:59,279
And Eva loves Sol.

907
00:57:59,309 --> 00:58:00,549
I once asked Eva, I said,

908
00:58:00,577 --> 00:58:03,217
"You know, Sol is a great guy.

909
00:58:03,246 --> 00:58:07,752
"He's a great artist and he loves you
and you love him.

910
00:58:07,784 --> 00:58:09,559
" Why don't you ever
gather? "

911
00:58:09,586 --> 00:58:12,396
And he said,
" You don't go to bed with your brother, "

912
00:58:14,057 --> 00:58:15,866
which to me is very touching.

913
00:58:17,227 --> 00:58:20,106
And I understand,
You know what that means.

914
00:58:23,132 --> 00:58:24,509
HESSE: I am numb.

915
00:58:25,802 --> 00:58:27,076
Daddy is dead.

916
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:35,512
CHARASH: My father is in Europe.

917
00:58:35,545 --> 00:58:37,582
He falls sick and dies.

918
00:58:37,614 --> 00:58:39,594
It was a nightmare for both of us.

919
00:58:43,186 --> 00:58:45,564
HESSE: Sol and I walk
New City York today.

920
00:58:46,523 --> 00:58:48,025
There is nothing I can do.

921
00:58:49,492 --> 00:58:51,904
CHARASH: Eva is very bad
with my father's death,

922
00:58:51,928 --> 00:58:54,101
only completely destroyed.

923
00:58:54,130 --> 00:58:57,475
And I think they are
true love relationships at that time.

924
00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:59,537
That's the Evachen.

925
00:59:00,737 --> 00:59:02,944
HESSE: I stand up
at my father's funeral.

926
00:59:03,806 --> 00:59:06,013
I'm big inside,

927
00:59:06,042 --> 00:59:07,749
not a child who is fearful and helpless.

928
00:59:09,145 --> 00:59:10,647
I love my father.

929
00:59:11,347 --> 00:59:12,325
That shows.

930
00:59:14,050 --> 00:59:15,154
Father...

931
00:59:15,184 --> 00:59:17,562
Your books that you make for me
are my thoughts about you.

932
00:59:20,023 --> 00:59:24,028
I want you to know
about shows and articles.

933
00:59:24,060 --> 00:59:25,801
You must be very happy

934
00:59:25,828 --> 00:59:29,401
and proud and less afraid of me.

935
00:59:29,432 --> 00:59:31,469
We are always too scared,
you and me.

936
00:59:32,402 --> 00:59:33,745
We even share that.

937
00:59:35,238 --> 00:59:38,344
WILLIAM: Please, always aware,
dear Evachen,

938
00:59:39,509 --> 00:59:41,614
You will never be alone.

939
00:59:42,545 --> 00:59:46,891
Don't forget,
I love you so much.

940
00:59:46,916 --> 00:59:50,329
And if you are strong enough
to make me very happy,

941
00:59:51,287 --> 00:59:53,597
please try to be happy.

942
00:59:54,457 --> 00:59:55,492
Father.

943
00:59:57,527 --> 01:00:01,498
HESSE: I now have to work harder
be strong, get well.

944
01:00:02,332 --> 01:00:04,334
Yes, be happy.

945
01:00:08,204 --> 01:00:09,774
Start working.

946
01:00:09,806 --> 01:00:11,513
Difficult.

947
01:00:11,541 --> 01:00:14,545
But I know how important
is now to me,

948
01:00:14,577 --> 01:00:18,286
and it's almost alone
can again make me stand tall.

949
01:00:25,355 --> 01:00:26,459
Finish Laocoon.

950
01:00:27,423 --> 01:00:29,801
Rope everywhere.

951
01:00:29,826 --> 01:00:33,364
BROWN: He uses this word
"make it" all the time.

952
01:00:33,396 --> 01:00:35,842
He is very obsessed with making it.

953
01:00:39,202 --> 01:00:42,376
HESSE: Lucy wants me to do it
a big piece for the show.

954
01:00:42,405 --> 01:00:43,975
Whatever I want to do.

955
01:00:44,641 --> 01:00:45,949
I am happy.

956
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:50,354
LIPPARD: I'm doing a show called
Eccentric Abstraction.

957
01:00:50,380 --> 01:00:55,056
And I think about it in some ways as a type of vehicle for Eva's work.

958
01:00:55,084 --> 01:00:59,396
I am looking for something
it is not a minimalist that is cold and hard.

959
01:00:59,422 --> 01:01:01,561
I only want the others.

960
01:01:01,591 --> 01:01:05,835
And I realized then that
was something feminist or female.

961
01:01:05,862 --> 01:01:08,536
I want to see this hard network
mess up a little

962
01:01:08,564 --> 01:01:11,670
and confused,
and Eva certainly do that.

963
01:01:42,031 --> 01:01:45,376
PETZINGER: In the exhibition
Eccentric Abstraction,

964
01:01:45,401 --> 01:01:48,780
Eva shows
Metronomic aberrations.

965
01:01:50,306 --> 01:01:52,752
And there is a big surprise.

966
01:01:53,876 --> 01:01:58,018
That's the minimalist type.

967
01:01:58,047 --> 01:02:03,087
You have that rectangle,
the system is organized.

968
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:07,465
You have a mess of those cables.

969
01:02:07,490 --> 01:02:12,439
And this contradiction
is a very important thing in his work.

970
01:02:13,663 --> 01:02:16,371
SUSSMAN: He can learn

971
01:02:16,399 --> 01:02:18,743
all lessons
from minimalism,

972
01:02:18,768 --> 01:02:22,079
however, take it to its own area,

973
01:02:22,105 --> 01:02:25,109
where the issue of absurdity and humor

974
01:02:25,942 --> 01:02:28,218
and roughness of entry.

975
01:02:30,113 --> 01:02:32,150
LIPPARD: The show gets
a certain amount of attention

976
01:02:32,181 --> 01:02:34,684
and Hilton Kramer wrote about
in the New York Times.

977
01:02:35,985 --> 01:02:39,194
WAPNER: When the Times reviews it,

978
01:02:39,222 --> 01:02:42,294
it gives more space

979
01:02:42,325 --> 01:02:44,635
for men in shows

980
01:02:44,660 --> 01:02:46,469
and he is upset

981
01:02:46,496 --> 01:02:49,602
and feel discriminated against.

982
01:02:49,632 --> 01:02:51,612
He feels he deserves it
more space

983
01:02:51,634 --> 01:02:53,773
and more attention.

984
01:02:53,803 --> 01:02:57,512
And I think that's
accurate assessment.

985
01:02:59,041 --> 01:03:00,111
HESSE: I'm reading

986
01:03:00,143 --> 01:03:02,521
Simone de Beauvoir
Second Sex.

987
01:03:02,545 --> 01:03:05,992
I always feel that all women
oppose it.

988
01:03:06,015 --> 01:03:07,358
Simone agrees.

989
01:03:08,851 --> 01:03:12,060
"Extraordinary power
is needed, and courage. Men get more encouragement
and get more support.

990
01:03:12,722 --> 01:03:14,668
HOLT: Women Are not even seen,
so you are not seen.

991
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:17,796
Eva does this amazing job it breaks some barriers,

992
01:03:17,827 --> 01:03:21,798
and I can see cracks happening
in a male-dominated system.

993
01:03:21,831 --> 01:03:24,937
The belief is simple.

994
01:03:29,238 --> 01:03:34,244
I am an artist.

995
01:03:34,277 --> 01:03:36,689


996
01:03:37,513 --> 01:03:41,757


997
01:03:42,618 --> 01:03:45,098


998
01:03:45,121 --> 01:03:49,467


999
01:03:50,927 --> 01:03:54,136


1000
01:03:54,897 --> 01:03:55,875


1001
01:03:57,733 --> 01:03:59,838
And I would like to be known as an artist.

1002
01:03:59,869 --> 01:04:04,648
Every time they try to make it
female artist, he is very angry.

1003
01:04:06,642 --> 01:04:11,284
HESSE: How to beat
discrimination in art is with art.

1004
01:04:11,314 --> 01:04:13,817
Advantages of not having sex.

1005
01:04:15,418 --> 01:04:19,059
December 23, 1966.

1006
01:04:19,088 --> 01:04:21,830
This is the right ending
for the weird again,

1007
01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:24,134
confusing, sad...

1008
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,299
and a rather productive year.

1009
01:04:26,996 --> 01:04:28,805
Good neglect.

1010
01:04:28,831 --> 01:04:30,071
And Father's death.

1011
01:04:31,834 --> 01:04:35,145
And now,
for work and other changes.

1012
01:04:39,075 --> 01:04:41,055
(CHATTER INDISTINCT)

1013
01:04:42,078 --> 01:04:45,025
HESSE: January 1, 1967  I work well and are eager to continue.

1014
01:04:45,047 --> 01:04:47,391


1015
01:04:47,416 --> 01:04:50,363
It might even be ready for the first
one-man show next fall.

1016
01:04:51,654 --> 01:04:53,463
Tonight we meet at Smithson's.

1017
01:04:53,489 --> 01:04:56,527
midnight.
This will be his 28th birthday.

1018
01:04:59,495 --> 01:05:02,840
SMITHSON: We become part of a particular community that is around there.

1019
01:05:02,865 --> 01:05:05,539
Sol Lewitt of course
is very important for that.

1020
01:05:11,607 --> 01:05:16,716
HOLT: We hang out with
and Graham, Mel Bochner and

1021
01:05:16,746 --> 01:05:20,558
Eva and Sol, and Carl Andre.

1022
01:05:20,583 --> 01:05:23,291
Go to each studio.

1023
01:05:23,319 --> 01:05:25,321
People feel
their way,

1024
01:05:25,354 --> 01:05:27,391
like nothing is clear, not yet.

1025
01:05:27,423 --> 01:05:30,063
That's all in formation.

1026
01:05:30,092 --> 01:05:33,665
So having an
conversation and exchange,

1027
01:05:33,696 --> 01:05:36,108
at that time was very strong.

1028
01:05:36,132 --> 01:05:37,236
What is it like?

1029
01:05:37,266 --> 01:05:39,143
I mean, you have to define
yourself better than that.

1030
01:05:39,168 --> 01:05:40,738
You can't say words.

1031
01:05:40,770 --> 01:05:42,249
You have to be really right.

1032
01:05:42,271 --> 01:05:44,308
Oh, words don't mean anything.
Those words...

1033
01:05:44,340 --> 01:05:46,411
Everything really
happened in New York.

1034
01:05:46,442 --> 01:05:50,686
This is Max time
Kansas City and all this

1035
01:05:50,713 --> 01:05:53,626
the artist still drinks hard,

1036
01:05:53,649 --> 01:05:56,027
nightlife sort of person.

1037
01:05:56,052 --> 01:05:58,430
HESSE: We went to
Max's Kansas City.

1038
01:05:58,454 --> 01:06:01,799
Carl, Andre, and Mel have heated up
discussions until closing.

1039
01:06:03,259 --> 01:06:05,466
AND GRAHAM: I think intellectually,
he is quite brilliant

1040
01:06:05,494 --> 01:06:08,566
and underestimated by all
minimal art friends.

1041
01:06:08,597 --> 01:06:09,905
He is very, very ambitious

1042
01:06:09,932 --> 01:06:11,605
so he sees everyone's work.

1043
01:06:11,634 --> 01:06:13,705
Even though the artist is minimal,
is quite satisfied with himself

1044
01:06:13,736 --> 01:06:15,306
that they have the answer.

1045
01:06:18,441 --> 01:06:21,388
LEWITT: He is very involved with specific media  he is working on.

1046
01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:23,151
A beautiful thing from the 60s,

1047
01:06:23,179 --> 01:06:24,522
is, uh, Canal Street technology.

1048
01:06:24,547 --> 01:06:27,289
And so, that means, he entered into that.

1049
01:06:27,316 --> 01:06:29,762
(CAR HONKING)

1050
01:06:30,686 --> 01:06:32,666
HOLT: Canal Street is just a magical country.

1051
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:37,933
I like walking up and down
Canal Street, seeing all the material.

1052
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:42,375


1053
01:06:42,398 --> 01:06:46,005
And often the
material will lead you to an idea.

1054
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:49,581
HONIG: It's like, shopping at Tiffany,

1055
01:06:49,605 --> 01:06:53,018
except that Tiffany
has small rubber objects

1056
01:06:53,042 --> 01:06:54,749
and you don't know what they are.

1057
01:06:54,777 --> 01:06:56,586
ROBERT: There is a rubber shop.

1058
01:06:56,612 --> 01:06:59,752
There are shops that sell old shells.

1059
01:06:59,782 --> 01:07:01,227
Everything is there.

1060
01:07:01,250 --> 01:07:03,389
That's part of being in Lower Manhattan.

1061
01:07:03,419 --> 01:07:05,399
I mean, Lower Manhattan is great.

1062
01:07:05,421 --> 01:07:07,458
Trucks are passing by,
all the time and,

1063
01:07:07,490 --> 01:07:09,094
it's very beautiful,

1064
01:07:09,125 --> 01:07:11,696
stimulates things that happen there

1065
01:07:11,727 --> 01:07:13,729
which affects us all, you know?

1066
01:07:13,763 --> 01:07:15,640
You know the closest to you

1067
01:07:15,664 --> 01:07:17,871
for me, now, is Home Depot.
(laughs)

1068
01:07:19,769 --> 01:07:24,912
You know, I went in there and it was like,
"Oh, look at all this."

1069
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:27,853
But it's not Canal Street.
No, that's not true.
It is not that.

1070
01:07:31,514 --> 01:07:33,892
HESSE: Spend the morning,
shop on Canal Street.

1071
01:07:33,916 --> 01:07:37,989
Sol joins me.
Must spend $ 20 to $ 30.

1072
01:07:52,401 --> 01:07:54,677
HESSE: Friday, Canal Street.

1073
01:07:54,703 --> 01:07:59,777
Take a magnet, try a washing machine.
Two cables and weights.

1074
01:08:08,184 --> 01:08:11,290
LEWITT: He said that he
wanted to make it work bad luck.

1075
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,061
Not yucky, but bad luck.

1076
01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:14,796
He must do it
something with that,

1077
01:08:14,824 --> 01:08:16,826
eh, make him feel good to him.

1078
01:08:18,294 --> 01:08:20,831
GRAHAM: Eva deals with
material, which is demeaned.

1079
01:08:20,863 --> 01:08:22,069
They are industrial materials,

1080
01:08:22,098 --> 01:08:23,668
that is waste material.

1081
01:08:23,699 --> 01:08:25,940
I think Eva has just
an attraction, maybe with

1082
01:08:25,968 --> 01:08:29,006
the type of trash culture
You can find it in New York.

1083
01:08:29,038 --> 01:08:30,608
LEWITT: But, I mean,
he took all of this

1084
01:08:30,639 --> 01:08:33,176
and make it very complete,

1085
01:08:33,209 --> 01:08:39,387
uh, his own lost property
all their low quality quality.

1086
01:08:42,051 --> 01:08:43,530
LIPPARD: I can only see Eva

1087
01:08:43,552 --> 01:08:44,997
sitting there, with the ingredients,

1088
01:08:45,020 --> 01:08:47,125
almost like them,
it is another creature,

1089
01:08:47,156 --> 01:08:49,067
and work with them.

1090
01:08:49,091 --> 01:08:51,697
But not another creature, maybe himself

1091
01:08:51,727 --> 01:08:54,731
because they are very self-identified.

1092
01:08:54,763 --> 01:08:57,004
I mean, he is where he put
a lot of his anxiety,

1093
01:08:57,032 --> 01:08:58,409
is into his art, I think.

1094
01:08:58,434 --> 01:09:00,141
I don't want to be too psychology

1095
01:09:00,169 --> 01:09:01,876
oriented to this because,

1096
01:09:01,904 --> 01:09:05,374
it's very unpopular
now to do that.
But...

1097
01:09:05,407 --> 01:09:07,785
But with Eva, it's almost impossible

1098
01:09:07,810 --> 01:09:09,756
do not think psychologically,

1099
01:09:09,778 --> 01:09:12,281
when you know his job,
and he is a human.

1100
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:16,056
HESSE: Friday, July 28.

1101
01:09:16,085 --> 01:09:18,691
Called Donald Droll until midnight.

1102
01:09:20,156 --> 01:09:23,069
ROBERT: Donald Droll is more
or less running Fischbach,

1103
01:09:23,092 --> 01:09:26,471
which is a powerhouse gallery.

1104
01:09:26,495 --> 01:09:30,705
And he is very skilled
in recognizing artists.

1105
01:09:30,733 --> 01:09:31,871
He has extraordinary eyes.

1106
01:09:31,901 --> 01:09:33,346
He has big eyes, huh.

1107
01:09:35,037 --> 01:09:36,607
HESSE: Friday night.

1108
01:09:36,639 --> 01:09:40,052
Donald Droll said, if I'm ready, I can do a show.

1109
01:09:40,075 --> 01:09:43,079
I can have a main
large room this spring.

1110
01:09:43,112 --> 01:09:44,785
LIPPARD: And that's a big problem.

1111
01:09:44,813 --> 01:09:46,554
That is a big opportunity.

1112
01:09:55,157 --> 01:09:58,468
HONIG: Eva is very beautiful,
black, long hair.

1113
01:09:58,494 --> 01:10:02,237
He symbolically cuts all his hair.

1114
01:10:05,634 --> 01:10:08,080
That will be another time in his life.

1115
01:10:08,103 --> 01:10:11,107
It's far from being this wife,

1116
01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:14,713
and that's all about the job.

1117
01:10:16,178 --> 01:10:18,385
HESSE: Friday, March 8th.

1118
01:10:18,414 --> 01:10:20,553
Dorothy B. Movie.

1119
01:10:32,695 --> 01:10:36,541
Factory for epoxy.
Rubber or plastic.

1120
01:10:37,833 --> 01:10:40,143
Flexible durability.

1121
01:10:40,169 --> 01:10:43,150
GOLDMAN: He always develops,

1122
01:10:43,172 --> 01:10:44,913
goes beyond what he knows.

1123
01:10:44,940 --> 01:10:46,783
That's the goal.

1124
01:10:46,809 --> 01:10:50,655
HESSE: Silicone.
120 ccs, 20 ccs.

1125
01:10:50,679 --> 01:10:53,592
Silastex, 120 ccs.

1126
01:10:53,616 --> 01:10:57,655
SUSSMAN: A group called
Experiments in Art and Technology

1127
01:10:57,686 --> 01:11:00,860
come together, to bring the artist

1128
01:11:00,889 --> 01:11:05,599
to orbit people
using new technology.

1129
01:11:05,628 --> 01:11:07,972
Eva Hesse is treated in the group,

1130
01:11:07,997 --> 01:11:09,772
and he attended college

1131
01:11:09,798 --> 01:11:14,338
in the use of polymers and latex.

1132
01:11:14,370 --> 01:11:19,444
HESSE: One, liquid.
Two, clear rubber.

1133
01:11:19,475 --> 01:11:23,753
Three, set after 24 hours.
Four...

1134
01:11:23,779 --> 01:11:25,690
Important problem.

1135
01:11:25,714 --> 01:11:29,526
And I think it's very clear
in Eva's work,

1136
01:11:29,551 --> 01:11:32,327
material manifestations of

1137
01:11:32,354 --> 01:11:36,200


1138
01:11:38,594 --> 01:11:40,505
form  out of intense
investigation of this problem.

1139
01:11:40,529 --> 01:11:43,999
HESSE: Tuesday, April 30.

1140
01:11:45,734 --> 01:11:50,774
Go to Arco, Canal Street, Aegis.

1141
01:11:50,806 --> 01:11:54,379
Aegis Reinforced Plastics
is made specifically for

1142
01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:57,357
help artists make
their special things,

1143
01:11:57,379 --> 01:11:59,416
and Rob Smithson.

1144
01:11:59,448 --> 01:12:03,225
Bob Morris takes Eva in and
shows him what you can do.

1145
01:12:03,252 --> 01:12:06,631
How do fiberglass act,
when it is saturated?

1146
01:12:06,655 --> 01:12:10,125
When it's difficult, it will look like it's still soft.

1147
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:13,697
That is one good thing,
because he likes to be gentle.

1148
01:12:13,729 --> 01:12:16,232
I think we make connections and

1149
01:12:16,265 --> 01:12:19,872
a few months later,
we started working on his works.

1150
01:12:21,904 --> 01:12:23,440
The first part I made for Eva,

1151
01:12:23,472 --> 01:12:25,349
called Repetition Nineteen.

1152
01:12:25,374 --> 01:12:27,513
And he shows some pictures.

1153
01:12:27,543 --> 01:12:31,355
A very simple line drawing of a cylinder.

1154
01:12:31,380 --> 01:12:34,384
He gave me dimensions and 19 of them.

1155
01:12:37,286 --> 01:12:39,698
We make this cylinder,

1156
01:12:39,722 --> 01:12:41,724
coating them with fiberglass,

1157
01:12:44,026 --> 01:12:46,905
and let them harden.

1158
01:12:46,929 --> 01:12:49,637
And then we have
to get the newspaper out.

1159
01:12:56,238 --> 01:12:58,616
He came all the way,
to Staten Island

1160
01:13:02,444 --> 01:13:05,152
and, um, and he was horrified.

1161
01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:07,490
I mean, beyond horror.

1162
01:13:07,516 --> 01:13:08,927
They are too perfect.

1163
01:13:08,951 --> 01:13:13,923
So I told him, "Look, you make it
bucket of mache paper.

1164
01:13:13,956 --> 01:13:16,402
" I will make it exactly, on the road

1165
01:13:16,425 --> 01:13:18,735
"You have made it, in fiberglass."

1166
01:13:20,295 --> 01:13:22,935
So he started doing it again.

1167
01:13:22,965 --> 01:13:25,002
And this time, with his hand,

1168
01:13:25,033 --> 01:13:28,014
he does something in each part,

1169
01:13:28,036 --> 01:13:31,745
and it's not a cylinder.

1170
01:13:31,774 --> 01:13:36,450
For him, his specialty
is personal, it is physical,

1171
01:13:36,478 --> 01:13:40,016
and touch, the way.

1172
01:13:42,518 --> 01:13:44,464
JOHNS: A few weeks later,
he came out.

1173
01:13:44,486 --> 01:13:47,490
He has 19 buckets
and they are bigger, now.

1174
01:13:47,523 --> 01:13:51,835
So we make this basket,
coat them with resin,

1175
01:13:51,860 --> 01:13:55,865
put it on the table,
turn on the light and bing!

1176
01:14:07,042 --> 01:14:09,852
They are like this beautiful thing.

1177
01:14:09,878 --> 01:14:11,585
He is very happy.

1178
01:14:11,613 --> 01:14:14,219
I mean, this is just the best thing he has ever seen.

1179
01:14:15,117 --> 01:14:17,119
At that time, we were a team.

1180
01:14:17,152 --> 01:14:18,927
That just let's do this,

1181
01:14:18,954 --> 01:14:21,400
and we will make a statue

1182
01:14:21,423 --> 01:14:23,460
and he is very excited.

1183
01:14:25,060 --> 01:14:29,031
He said, "Why not come
and stay with me?" So I did it.

1184
01:14:37,206 --> 01:14:39,914
He has an event coming
in Fischbach.

1185
01:14:39,942 --> 01:14:42,923
So we will wake up
morning and that,

1186
01:14:42,945 --> 01:14:44,822
"Let's do art."

1187
01:14:44,847 --> 01:14:48,090
And we work all day and all night,

1188
01:14:48,116 --> 01:14:49,720
until we just fainted.

1189
01:14:51,019 --> 01:14:55,434
We make a session,
which is basically a box

1190
01:14:55,457 --> 01:14:57,095
which we discussed outside,

1191
01:14:57,125 --> 01:14:59,196
with a very thick layer of fiberglass.

1192
01:15:01,263 --> 01:15:03,539
And then we will drill holes

1193
01:15:03,565 --> 01:15:05,340
through this fiberglass section,

1194
01:15:05,367 --> 01:15:08,348
with 29,000 holes, we make that.

1195
01:15:10,138 --> 01:15:13,449
And I help him
the tube in this object.

1196
01:15:13,475 --> 01:15:15,580
GOLDMAN: Accessions,
are called, tubes?

1197
01:15:17,212 --> 01:15:19,089
Never see anything so sexual

1198
01:15:19,114 --> 01:15:20,991
and fantastic in my entire life.

1199
01:15:21,016 --> 01:15:23,018
And Eva will only sit there,

1200
01:15:23,051 --> 01:15:26,726
and boom, and boom, and boom

1201
01:15:26,755 --> 01:15:31,864
with methodical and thorough rhythm.

1202
01:15:31,894 --> 01:15:33,396
They leave.

1203
01:15:34,463 --> 01:15:36,943
When you put your head inside,

1204
01:15:36,965 --> 01:15:39,343
You can't hear anything, outside.

1205
01:15:39,368 --> 01:15:41,871
And of course, he lives in Bowery.

1206
01:15:41,904 --> 01:15:43,975
And it's noisy, and there's a drunk

1207
01:15:44,006 --> 01:15:46,418
and there are shouts and
there are all kinds of noise.

1208
01:15:46,441 --> 01:15:48,079
You can't hear anything.

1209
01:15:48,110 --> 01:15:49,282
That's very beautiful.

1210
01:15:49,311 --> 01:15:52,121
You will go in there and that
like being in a cave.

1211
01:15:53,181 --> 01:15:55,058
The feeling is that art

1212
01:15:55,083 --> 01:15:57,529
is an artifact of the process.

1213
01:15:57,553 --> 01:15:59,464
The art is being created,

1214
01:15:59,488 --> 01:16:02,958
artifacts are what's left.

1215
01:16:02,991 --> 01:16:07,167
That's just extraordinary
fair time, creating art.

1216
01:16:07,195 --> 01:16:09,641
And I fell in love with him.

1217
01:16:09,665 --> 01:16:12,771
Sure enough, um...

1218
01:16:12,801 --> 01:16:15,247
I don't think he
fell in love with me.

1219
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:18,649
I know he's crazy about
with me, that's for sure.

1220
01:16:18,674 --> 01:16:20,984
There is no question about that.

1221
01:16:21,009 --> 01:16:24,218
Uh, but he fell in love with his art.

1222
01:16:34,990 --> 01:16:38,528
HESSE: Tuesday, June 4.
Protection.

1223
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:43,236
Rubber.
Four glasses together.
Plastic tube.

1224
01:16:43,265 --> 01:16:45,040
Give Doug this.

1225
01:16:46,668 --> 01:16:48,670
Sunday, July 7.

1226
01:16:48,704 --> 01:16:52,174
Organic and inorganic polymers.

1227
01:16:52,207 --> 01:16:54,312
Polymer chains.

1228
01:16:54,343 --> 01:16:57,756
HOLT: He ironed the fabric, thin cotton cloth.

1229
01:16:57,779 --> 01:17:00,521
It was found
a new process.

1230
01:17:00,549 --> 01:17:03,359
That is not something like that
already exists in the world.

1231
01:17:11,860 --> 01:17:13,669
HESSE: Monday, July 8.

1232
01:17:13,695 --> 01:17:16,972
New Work.
Rubber, fiberglass.

1233
01:17:21,036 --> 01:17:27,248
I let him know that plastic
and fugitive rubber.

1234
01:17:27,275 --> 01:17:31,121
Rubber will last, the best,
ten, 15 years.

1235
01:17:31,146 --> 01:17:33,057
And gradually begin to crack

1236
01:17:33,081 --> 01:17:35,618
and begin to turn into dust.

1237
01:17:35,651 --> 01:17:38,530
He said, "Good.
Let them worry about that."

1238
01:17:38,553 --> 01:17:40,533
Speaking of museum people.

1239
01:17:40,555 --> 01:17:44,025
"Then what? I want what
the effect now."

1240
01:17:45,727 --> 01:17:48,173
HESSE: Sunday, October 27.

1241
01:17:48,196 --> 01:17:50,938
Sans, complete, fini.

1242
01:17:50,966 --> 01:17:52,445
It turns out amazing.

1243
01:17:59,341 --> 01:18:02,811
Saturday, November 16.
Shows.

1244
01:18:38,980 --> 01:18:41,290
HESSE: I want the job
to be non-working.

1245
01:18:41,316 --> 01:18:44,923
To find the way
my prejudice.

1246
01:18:44,953 --> 01:18:47,991
To go beyond what I know,
and can know.

1247
01:18:50,759 --> 01:18:52,397
That's something.

1248
01:18:54,796 --> 01:18:56,002
This is nothing.

1249
01:19:03,572 --> 01:19:05,813
TIMPANELLI: I go to the opening.

1250
01:19:05,841 --> 01:19:10,085
Ah!
And I've been looking for
in art since I was a kid.

1251
01:19:10,112 --> 01:19:13,616
I see the job
I have never seen before.

1252
01:19:13,648 --> 01:19:18,893
However, at all
original like that,

1253
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:23,892
it's extraordinary
reflects our time

1254
01:19:23,925 --> 01:19:28,067
and all the time,
and real feelings.

1255
01:19:35,303 --> 01:19:38,773
SEROTA: Eva's work increases
new sensibility.

1256
01:19:39,541 --> 01:19:42,283
That's typical.

1257
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:45,189
That is his own.

1258
01:19:45,213 --> 01:19:48,660
Fragile, beautiful, tentative.

1259
01:19:49,951 --> 01:19:51,760
Those are all things
the statue,

1260
01:19:51,787 --> 01:19:53,164
not supposed to.

1261
01:19:56,224 --> 01:19:58,261
HESSE: "Eva Hesse.

1262
01:19:58,293 --> 01:20:02,332
" This is the first one-person show
unusual interest.

1263
01:20:02,364 --> 01:20:05,504
"Ms. Hesse's work is restless,

1264
01:20:05,534 --> 01:20:08,674
"But pulling between two poles.

1265
01:20:08,703 --> 01:20:11,513
" Nature is very rational form,

1266
01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:14,987
"and the world
surreal dreams."

1267
01:20:16,178 --> 01:20:18,624
We have about eight or nine shows,

1268
01:20:18,647 --> 01:20:20,991
we want to see that day.

1269
01:20:21,016 --> 01:20:25,658
And the last one is on the list
it turns out Eva Hesse.

1270
01:20:25,687 --> 01:20:28,463
And I enter
Fischbach Gallery,

1271
01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:31,403
and I suddenly see,
the most beautiful things

1272
01:20:31,426 --> 01:20:33,702
I've seen and most interesting.

1273
01:20:35,463 --> 01:20:38,103
TONY GANZ: There are
this amazing work.

1274
01:20:38,133 --> 01:20:41,876
And Eva herself is there
in the back room.

1275
01:20:41,903 --> 01:20:46,443
And he doesn't look like my sister Kate,

1276
01:20:46,474 --> 01:20:50,320
a fact that is not lost on him.

1277
01:20:50,345 --> 01:20:54,623
VICTOR: I was fascinated
and immediately fell in love with him.

1278
01:20:54,649 --> 01:20:56,356
Think he's amazing.

1279
01:20:56,384 --> 01:21:00,560
He decides to do something
he hasn't done it for years,

1280
01:21:00,589 --> 01:21:03,832
who buys some work.

1281
01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:06,965
JOHNS: When Ganzs
buy a few pieces,

1282
01:21:06,995 --> 01:21:09,839
he returned to the studio,
and he said,

1283
01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:12,641
"They will buy some of my parts.

1284
01:21:12,667 --> 01:21:14,669
" They collected Picasso too.

1285
01:21:14,703 --> 01:21:16,979
"That's all, me and Picasso."
(LAUGH)

1286
01:21:17,005 --> 01:21:18,313
It's like, "Wow!"

1287
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:23,918
He will come for dinner
more often,

1288
01:21:23,945 --> 01:21:25,982
and we always enjoy a beautiful night.

1289
01:21:31,987 --> 01:21:33,466
HESSE: For four more pictures.

1290
01:21:33,488 --> 01:21:38,597
Whitney Spring Show,
TIME Magazine's art section.

1291
01:21:38,627 --> 01:21:41,972
He is one of them
artists in New York.

1292
01:21:41,997 --> 01:21:44,170
He is the only woman, basically,

1293
01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:46,577
that is in the group.

1294
01:21:46,601 --> 01:21:48,205
He is one of the boys.

1295
01:21:59,547 --> 01:22:04,121
He goes to
incredible work mode.

1296
01:22:04,152 --> 01:22:06,257
I mean, he is extraordinarily productive  and begin to appear,

1297
01:22:06,288 --> 01:22:07,926
and get a response from the place.

1298
01:22:07,956 --> 01:22:10,562
HESSE: So much is happening.

1299
01:22:11,626 --> 01:22:13,572
I have a lot of success.

1300
01:22:13,595 --> 01:22:15,506
I was asked to appear in many events,

1301
01:22:15,530 --> 01:22:17,476
I can't follow.

1302
01:22:17,499 --> 01:22:18,705


1303
01:22:23,738 --> 01:22:25,945
In October, I will go to Europe,

1304
01:22:25,974 --> 01:22:29,080
have one male show at
Gallery Ricka in Cologne.

1305
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:32,216
For March, I was preparing to work for Whitney.

1306
01:22:39,788 --> 01:22:43,065
Show includes
Carl Andre, Robert Morris,

1307
01:22:43,091 --> 01:22:47,096
Bruce Nauman, Richard Serra and me.

1308
01:23:00,542 --> 01:23:02,351
JOHNS: He gets a lot of headaches.

1309
01:23:02,377 --> 01:23:04,254
He will get dizzy

1310
01:23:04,279 --> 01:23:07,351
and cannot function.

1311
01:23:07,382 --> 01:23:11,091
He will squint and be fair
this severe pain.

1312
01:23:11,119 --> 01:23:13,429
And I kept telling him, "Look,

1313
01:23:13,455 --> 01:23:17,665
" You have to see a doctor. "
And he avoided it.

1314
01:23:19,661 --> 01:23:20,969
LIPPARD: I remember that night,

1315
01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:22,942
and we are all there with Eva,

1316
01:23:22,964 --> 01:23:25,945
and we realize that
something that is really wrong.

1317
01:23:25,967 --> 01:23:28,038
His headache is very bad.

1318
01:23:32,807 --> 01:23:35,686
Previously, psychiatrist
had said it was physical,

1319
01:23:35,710 --> 01:23:38,122
and physical physicians
have said it is psychic.

1320
01:23:38,146 --> 01:23:40,956
And he is very ridden by anxiety,

1321
01:23:40,982 --> 01:23:44,327
and it seems like that is possible,
that's what is happening.

1322
01:23:44,352 --> 01:23:46,923
But at that time,
he was really in pain

1323
01:23:46,955 --> 01:23:50,232
and I think we know,
that this is

1324
01:23:50,258 --> 01:23:52,101
more than we thought.

1325
01:23:52,127 --> 01:23:53,970
(AMBULANCE SIREN WAILS)

1326
01:23:57,032 --> 01:24:00,343
HESSE: April 10.
I am treated at the New York Hospital,

1327
01:24:00,368 --> 01:24:02,473
to be checked, tested.

1328
01:24:04,205 --> 01:24:06,913
CHARASH: He was there for days,

1329
01:24:06,941 --> 01:24:09,751
and they can't find anything wrong.

1330
01:24:09,778 --> 01:24:12,520
And they do spinal taps
and thank God.

1331
01:24:12,547 --> 01:24:13,855
He will die that day.

1332
01:24:16,351 --> 01:24:18,456
HESSE: My tumor is very enlarged,

1333
01:24:18,486 --> 01:24:20,727
there is no free space to move.

1334
01:24:20,755 --> 01:24:23,599
So it turns my brain.

1335
01:24:24,392 --> 01:24:26,235
There isn't much time.

1336
01:24:27,662 --> 01:24:30,939
Viewing images, flashing colors.

1337
01:24:30,965 --> 01:24:34,469
Very very beautiful.

1338
01:24:34,502 --> 01:24:36,778
Not afraid.

1339
01:24:36,805 --> 01:24:38,375
Want to touch,

1340
01:24:38,406 --> 01:24:41,353
connect with them with me.

1341
01:24:41,376 --> 01:24:45,483
I am very connected with them,
and they are with me.

1342
01:24:45,513 --> 01:24:47,220
I speak.

1343
01:24:47,248 --> 01:24:50,889
I smile.
I fantasize.

1344
01:24:50,919 --> 01:24:54,162
I have a vision.
I love.

1345
01:24:54,889 --> 01:24:56,994
I can't speak enough.

1346
01:24:57,025 --> 01:25:01,667
I see a face.
I see love, happiness.

1347
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:06,943
CHARASH: He used to be
operated and I entered

1348
01:25:06,968 --> 01:25:08,504
there, I really can still see it.

1349
01:25:08,536 --> 01:25:10,277
And he sits in bed,

1350
01:25:10,305 --> 01:25:12,285
wrapped around the head,

1351
01:25:12,307 --> 01:25:15,186
and he feels amazing.

1352
01:25:15,210 --> 01:25:18,248
And he only, now,
missing headaches

1353
01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:21,556
and he is not in pain,
and he feels great.

1354
01:25:21,583 --> 01:25:24,154
And he said, "How lucky I am,
they have everything

1355
01:25:24,185 --> 01:25:26,791
" And I'm very lucky. "

1356
01:25:26,821 --> 01:25:29,529
HESSE: I think going back to where everything started.

1357
01:25:29,557 --> 01:25:31,036
I am very sick.

1358
01:25:31,059 --> 01:25:34,632
I have signs, but I will do it
don't recognize them.

1359
01:25:34,662 --> 01:25:37,802
Someone can deny anything.

1360
01:25:37,832 --> 01:25:40,813
People think when he is sick,

1361
01:25:40,835 --> 01:25:42,746
that the ingredients must be blamed.

1362
01:25:42,770 --> 01:25:44,750
I mean, there are others
people who work with latex,

1363
01:25:44,772 --> 01:25:47,844
but he, as I said,
really becomes the material.

1364
01:25:47,876 --> 01:25:51,551
So he might breathe
them and, you know,

1365
01:25:51,579 --> 01:25:54,492
taste them, even.
Who knows?

1366
01:25:54,516 --> 01:25:57,520
JOHNS: I mean this
the beginning of fiberglass.

1367
01:25:57,552 --> 01:25:59,930
But it's not too toxic,

1368
01:25:59,954 --> 01:26:02,366
and the tumor is too big

1369
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:06,429
to think of that,
a little amount of exposure

1370
01:26:06,461 --> 01:26:10,068
he has,
gives him a brain tumor.

1371
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:13,804
WAPNER: I often try to tease,

1372
01:26:13,835 --> 01:26:15,746
is it the resin that it does,

1373
01:26:15,770 --> 01:26:21,152
or is it just a coincidence of genetic DNA?

1374
01:26:24,312 --> 01:26:25,950
We will never know.

1375
01:26:29,317 --> 01:26:33,356
HESSE: In the past year
and now, since my illness,

1376
01:26:33,388 --> 01:26:36,335
I just want to live, surrender,

1377
01:26:36,357 --> 01:26:39,736
call the past, past
and try again.

1378
01:26:39,761 --> 01:26:42,071
Oh my God, anyone who knows my history,

1379
01:26:42,096 --> 01:26:45,236
who knows me, know I deserve it.

1380
01:26:45,733 --> 01:26:47,269
That's right.

1381
01:26:47,302 --> 01:26:51,148
There is never a time or
scene that qualifies as the norm.

1382
01:26:51,172 --> 01:26:53,948
Extreme on each side.

1383
01:26:57,779 --> 01:27:00,350
TIMPANELLI: He lives
with me in Woodstock.

1384
01:27:00,381 --> 01:27:03,624
He came with his paint bag.

1385
01:27:04,919 --> 01:27:07,126
That's right after that.
He doesn't have that

1386
01:27:07,155 --> 01:27:08,793
energy to go back to
studio alone

1387
01:27:08,823 --> 01:27:10,166
and to make a statue.

1388
01:27:10,191 --> 01:27:12,865
So, he will do it
this paper painting.

1389
01:27:17,599 --> 01:27:20,637
HESSE: Today is the third
day I feel a little better,

1390
01:27:20,668 --> 01:27:24,673
a little stronger,
a little more hopeful,

1391
01:27:24,706 --> 01:27:26,811
a little sick.

1392
01:27:27,842 --> 01:27:31,153
How grateful I am.
I have a lot to do.

1393
01:27:32,380 --> 01:27:34,223
TIMPANELLI: We wake up in the morning
in the morning.

1394
01:27:34,249 --> 01:27:38,425
We have muesli, cup of tea,
and then we go to work.

1395
01:27:38,453 --> 01:27:40,194
And the work is on the porch.

1396
01:27:40,221 --> 01:27:43,395
And the rain starts to fall,
and it never stops.

1397
01:27:44,359 --> 01:27:46,339
But we work every day.

1398
01:27:47,395 --> 01:27:50,467
I have never done art like that.

1399
01:27:50,498 --> 01:27:53,206
We only devote ourselves to work

1400
01:27:53,234 --> 01:27:55,407
and he made these paintings,

1401
01:27:55,436 --> 01:27:57,177
this beautiful paper painting.

1402
01:28:02,977 --> 01:28:06,618
He erodes it,
he makes a line.

1403
01:28:06,648 --> 01:28:10,926
SUSSMAN: He layering
the same paint washing

1404
01:28:10,952 --> 01:28:14,900
the subtle way he
has handled the sap,

1405
01:28:14,922 --> 01:28:19,029
to the point where
material consistency

1406
01:28:19,060 --> 01:28:22,906
on paper to be right for him.

1407
01:28:22,930 --> 01:28:25,774
They have ambitions
paintings and they have

1408
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,747
compared to late works
from Mark Rothko.

1409
01:28:33,675 --> 01:28:35,848
TIMPANELLI: We also sometimes go shopping.

1410
01:28:35,877 --> 01:28:39,723
And he bought this worm,
once, a handful.

1411
01:28:39,747 --> 01:28:43,627
And I asked him, I said,
"Oh, what are you going to do?"

1412
01:28:43,651 --> 01:28:44,823
He said, "I don't know yet."

1413
01:28:44,852 --> 01:28:46,456
He said, "I will play
with them for a while."

1414
01:28:46,487 --> 01:28:49,559
And he will see,
and he will decide

1415
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:50,796
what to do with something.

1416
01:28:51,926 --> 01:28:54,532
SUSSMAN: A great one
the things he taught us,

1417
01:28:54,562 --> 01:28:56,166
I think, is playing.

1418
01:28:56,197 --> 01:28:59,872
That's really the best
we can do,

1419
01:28:59,901 --> 01:29:02,643
with material, play with them.

1420
01:29:02,670 --> 01:29:07,449
Play with them until the
form starts to impact.

1421
01:29:07,475 --> 01:29:11,355
And he really
can't stop playing.

1422
01:29:11,379 --> 01:29:14,826
And I think it saved his life.

1423
01:29:14,849 --> 01:29:17,125
HESSE: Lack of energy
I have contrast

1424
01:29:17,151 --> 01:29:19,529
by psychic energy, rebirth,

1425
01:29:19,554 --> 01:29:22,091
Will to start living again,

1426
01:29:22,123 --> 01:29:26,902
work again, be seen, love.

1427
01:29:26,928 --> 01:29:30,273
I fight sleep to respond to
for this real excitement

1428
01:29:30,298 --> 01:29:34,576
which is frustrating because
there is little I can do.

1429
01:29:34,602 --> 01:29:37,139
ROBERT: Oh, that will happen
very easily give up and say,

1430
01:29:37,171 --> 01:29:39,344
"I can't deal with everything
from these negative things,

1431
01:29:39,374 --> 01:29:41,411
" I can't think of my work,

1432
01:29:41,442 --> 01:29:45,322
"So I will only concentrate
on my medical problems."

1433
01:29:45,346 --> 01:29:48,884
But Eva insisted on having everything.

1434
01:29:48,916 --> 01:29:50,156
SYLVIA: I think he did it because

1435
01:29:50,184 --> 01:29:52,460
he doesn't know what else to do.

1436
01:29:52,487 --> 01:29:55,593
Makes him feel alive.
That makes him feel alive, right.

1437
01:29:55,623 --> 01:29:57,660
The chance to become a great artist

1438
01:29:57,692 --> 01:29:59,433
is there for him, and he knows that.

1439
01:29:59,460 --> 01:30:01,235
He knows he is doing
very good work.

1440
01:30:01,262 --> 01:30:04,038
And of course, everyone
becomes very supportive too.

1441
01:30:04,065 --> 01:30:07,535
You know, lots of
famous artists, you know,

1442
01:30:07,568 --> 01:30:09,980
love him very much
and really tell him

1443
01:30:10,004 --> 01:30:12,610
this is good, keeps going,
this is amazing.

1444
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,119
So, in a funny way,

1445
01:30:14,142 --> 01:30:16,383
that is the right moment
from his life, I think.

1446
01:30:21,716 --> 01:30:24,424
JOHNS: He returned to Bowery,
and he called me,

1447
01:30:24,452 --> 01:30:29,094
and that's just, "Let's go,
let's start working."

1448
01:30:29,123 --> 01:30:32,161
Then we started doing it
the statue was right after it.

1449
01:30:36,597 --> 01:30:37,803
There is so much energy.

1450
01:30:37,832 --> 01:30:40,142
We giggle and experience
this beautiful time.

1451
01:30:40,168 --> 01:30:42,307
The items drip, everywhere.

1452
01:30:42,336 --> 01:30:45,943
And this is only, this is extraordinary
sort of cobwebby

1453
01:30:45,973 --> 01:30:47,350
whole room.

1454
01:30:47,375 --> 01:30:49,787
We have a hard time, around it.

1455
01:30:49,811 --> 01:30:52,485
HESSE: Climbing around,
completing something,

1456
01:30:52,513 --> 01:30:55,289
move, rotate and depend.

1457
01:30:55,316 --> 01:30:58,593
Four hands change,
manipulate changes.

1458
01:30:58,619 --> 01:31:01,566
Things that are possible, things happen.

1459
01:31:01,589 --> 01:31:05,162
Suspended hangers allow
themselves to continue,

1460
01:31:05,193 --> 01:31:07,036
connect and multiply.

1461
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,947
GOLDMAN: He accepts that feeling,

1462
01:31:15,970 --> 01:31:19,440
right after the cancer surgery.

1463
01:31:19,474 --> 01:31:22,353
Scars and use of wigs

1464
01:31:22,376 --> 01:31:26,256
and all that means,
now he has pride.

1465
01:31:27,348 --> 01:31:29,794
Eva has pride.

1466
01:31:29,817 --> 01:31:33,731
So he took everything
and put it in that section.

1467
01:31:34,922 --> 01:31:38,870
He has a terrible wig from Sassoon.

1468
01:31:38,893 --> 01:31:41,237
But he will laugh at him.

1469
01:31:41,262 --> 01:31:43,264
I remember visiting
he was in the hospital

1470
01:31:43,297 --> 01:31:44,970
and whipping his wig

1471
01:31:44,999 --> 01:31:46,273
proudly and say,

1472
01:31:46,300 --> 01:31:48,610
"Look at what I look like bald."
(LAUGH)

1473
01:31:48,636 --> 01:31:50,741
He thinks it's quite funny.

1474
01:31:50,771 --> 01:31:52,341
In a difficult year,

1475
01:31:52,373 --> 01:31:53,909
with so many operations

1476
01:31:53,941 --> 01:31:56,012
and many things are wrong,

1477
01:31:56,043 --> 01:32:01,891
um, we have lots
good time.
Extraordinary!

1478
01:32:01,916 --> 01:32:04,328
And I really appreciate that,

1479
01:32:04,352 --> 01:32:06,263
that I just did

1480
01:32:06,287 --> 01:32:09,598
and he does it naturally,
is to live at that moment.

1481
01:32:13,461 --> 01:32:16,840
HESSE: Of course there are
desires to write and work.

1482
01:32:16,864 --> 01:32:18,639
I can't start.

1483
01:32:18,666 --> 01:32:21,875
Days passed.
I do very little.

1484
01:32:24,605 --> 01:32:27,381
I have a
recording interview with Cindy Nemser.

1485
01:32:27,408 --> 01:32:29,285
Three different days.

1486
01:32:30,711 --> 01:32:33,282
(NEMSER ON TAPE) Oh, I have a good question for you.

1487
01:32:33,948 --> 01:32:35,450
(SPEAKING)

1488
01:32:38,185 --> 01:32:39,721
(SPEAKING HESSE)

1489
01:33:23,331 --> 01:33:26,801
SUSSMAN: Untitled Rope
Piece is the last to last

1490
01:33:26,834 --> 01:33:28,211
main pieces of sculpture

1491
01:33:28,235 --> 01:33:30,511
Eva Hesse, who was made in her life.

1492
01:33:30,538 --> 01:33:33,417
And that is very possible, his masterpiece.

1493
01:33:33,441 --> 01:33:35,148
He explained making this part

1494
01:33:35,176 --> 01:33:37,656
as a kind of choreography.

1495
01:33:37,678 --> 01:33:42,093
He dips the rope,
into a bucket of latex,

1496
01:33:42,116 --> 01:33:44,096
and then work with the assistant

1497
01:33:44,118 --> 01:33:48,396
and hang it from
rafter from his studio.

1498
01:33:48,422 --> 01:33:54,771
So serendipity
takes the material found,

1499
01:33:54,795 --> 01:33:59,676
processes it, and lets
gravity do that.

1500
01:33:59,700 --> 01:34:02,943
HESSE: Hung is irregular,
binds a node as a connection,

1501
01:34:02,970 --> 01:34:06,042
really let it go, because it will,

1502
01:34:06,073 --> 01:34:07,984
allows it to determine more

1503
01:34:08,009 --> 01:34:10,455
from the way it complements itself.

1504
01:34:10,478 --> 01:34:16,485
Not a form, not planned,
non art, nothing.

1505
01:34:27,194 --> 01:34:31,336
Serota: He uses him
his own body, his own experience,

1506
01:34:31,365 --> 01:34:36,246
dealing with problems
his own death.

1507
01:34:37,204 --> 01:34:39,309
Dealing with that.

1508
01:34:43,644 --> 01:34:45,681
CHARASH: Not much
longer after that,

1509
01:34:45,713 --> 01:34:47,852
that he was rushed to the New York Hospital

1510
01:34:47,882 --> 01:34:49,759
because he suffered tremendous pain.

1511
01:34:50,751 --> 01:34:52,890
HESSE: It's time again.

1512
01:34:53,821 --> 01:34:56,597
I have another brain tumor.

1513
01:34:57,892 --> 01:35:01,101
CHARASH: He operated,
on March 29.

1514
01:35:01,128 --> 01:35:03,768
That is an operation, it does have an effect.

1515
01:35:03,798 --> 01:35:07,177
He lost it after the operation.

1516
01:35:07,201 --> 01:35:10,944
The decision was made by Helen

1517
01:35:10,971 --> 01:35:15,647
do not tell Eva that she is indeed
sick and will die.

1518
01:35:17,011 --> 01:35:19,685
TIMPANELLI: I was there when he asked the doctor,

1519
01:35:19,714 --> 01:35:21,284
Will this come back again?

1520
01:35:21,315 --> 01:35:23,022
We hold hands.

1521
01:35:23,050 --> 01:35:25,189
And he said, "Yes, this is a type of tumor. " It might come back again. "

1522
01:35:25,219 --> 01:35:26,892
(DIRECT MUTTERS)

1523
01:35:26,921 --> 01:35:28,457
That's it.
He knows.

1524
01:35:28,489 --> 01:35:30,594
People say "Oh, he doesn't know."
Of course he knows.

1525
01:35:30,624 --> 01:35:32,763
HESSE: I know.
No fear.

1526
01:35:33,828 --> 01:35:37,275
I'm not afraid to die.

1527
01:35:37,298 --> 01:35:40,040
I know it's there.

1528
01:35:40,067 --> 01:35:43,139
But I not afraid.

1529
01:35:44,305 --> 01:35:45,943


1530
01:35:50,711 --> 01:35:52,622
TIMPANELLI: When he entered the hospital for the third time,

1531
01:35:52,646 --> 01:35:54,091
I go visit.

1532
01:35:54,115 --> 01:35:55,492
He feels better.

1533
01:35:55,516 --> 01:35:58,463
He is sitting.
He has a printed book

1534
01:35:58,486 --> 01:36:01,262
and he is making something.

1535
01:36:01,288 --> 01:36:03,131
And he said, "Look, what do you think?"

1536
01:36:03,157 --> 01:36:05,296
I said, "They look like a bunch of legs.
What is that?"

1537
01:36:05,326 --> 01:36:06,703
And he laughed.
He said,

1538
01:36:06,727 --> 01:36:09,606
"Oh, I didn't think...
Oh, they're legs.
Isn't that surprising..."

1539
01:36:09,630 --> 01:36:12,270
And we laughed and he made a small model.

1540
01:36:16,170 --> 01:36:18,673
And then, of course, he made it
that big statue.

1541
01:36:47,902 --> 01:36:49,882
JOHNS: He was very sick at the time

1542
01:36:49,904 --> 01:36:52,043
and he can't work.

1543
01:36:52,072 --> 01:36:55,610
But he has several students
that is a star student,

1544
01:36:55,643 --> 01:36:57,054
and they make that song.

1545
01:37:03,784 --> 01:37:05,525
TIMPANELLI: They put it too many orders.

1546
01:37:05,553 --> 01:37:07,464
He said, "Oh, I don't want them to be in that order."

1547
01:37:07,488 --> 01:37:09,331
He wants to make more sense.

1548
01:37:10,925 --> 01:37:14,270
He has a show at Steuben Glass,

1549
01:37:14,295 --> 01:37:17,037
on Fifth Avenue and 57th Street.

1550
01:37:17,064 --> 01:37:20,705
Seven poles are in it
show, and at the same time,

1551
01:37:21,802 --> 01:37:23,543
he is the cover of Artforum.

1552
01:37:24,939 --> 01:37:27,886
Contingent is ongoing
cover Artforum.

1553
01:37:27,908 --> 01:37:31,446
And that at that time
he really didn't like fighting.

1554
01:37:31,946 --> 01:37:33,289
We come out.

1555
01:37:33,314 --> 01:37:36,659
We scotch it on the bed.

1556
01:37:36,684 --> 01:37:40,154
And at one point, he said,
"That. That's me."

1557
01:37:49,463 --> 01:37:53,639
HESSE: I'm not happy, not at all.

1558
01:37:53,667 --> 01:37:56,170
I see past
three and a half years

1559
01:37:56,203 --> 01:37:58,683
with some kind of surprise.

1560
01:37:58,706 --> 01:38:01,585
All that has happened.

1561
01:38:01,609 --> 01:38:04,249
My changes outside and inside.

1562
01:38:06,447 --> 01:38:07,892
I can be proud.

1563
01:38:10,284 --> 01:38:15,734
CHARASH: Eva died on May 29,
1970, Friday.

1564
01:38:15,756 --> 01:38:17,963
He is 34 years old.

1565
01:38:23,731 --> 01:38:26,803
LEWITT: Dear, I received a telegram

1566
01:38:26,834 --> 01:38:28,211
from Helen about Eva's death

1567
01:38:28,235 --> 01:38:29,771
when I arrived here Saturday.

1568
01:38:30,704 --> 01:38:32,274
I am very sad.

1569
01:38:32,306 --> 01:38:33,614
You must too.

1570
01:38:34,875 --> 01:38:38,345
He is a good friend,
best friend for both of us.

1571
01:38:39,380 --> 01:38:40,757
It's still not about the house, because

1572
01:38:40,781 --> 01:38:43,227
I wasn't there to see and talk to him.

1573
01:38:43,250 --> 01:38:45,730
When I realize that it can
never happen again,

1574
01:38:45,753 --> 01:38:47,494
I will be heartbroken.

1575
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:50,898
Love, Sol.

1576
01:39:27,594 --> 01:39:31,303
CHARASH: Apart from that fact
Eva Hesse held an exhibition

1577
01:39:31,332 --> 01:39:34,836
around the world, this is more special,

1578
01:39:34,868 --> 01:39:37,974
maybe more emotional,
because this is the city

1579
01:39:38,005 --> 01:39:39,780
where Eva and I were born.

1580
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:08,408
PHYLLIDA BARLOW: I first met
Eva Hesse's work,

1581
01:40:08,435 --> 01:40:12,383
and it's like feeding hungry people.

1582
01:40:12,406 --> 01:40:16,320
That's exactly what I'm waiting for.

1583
01:40:18,445 --> 01:40:20,891
He tells me again,

1584
01:40:20,914 --> 01:40:23,895
work can come from you.

1585
01:40:23,917 --> 01:40:28,161
And that has a profound meaning
this intimacy and closeness.

1586
01:40:28,188 --> 01:40:31,226
You can still feel his presence
from making actions.

1587
01:40:32,092 --> 01:40:35,096
Artists are there, embedded

1588
01:40:35,129 --> 01:40:37,006
in what you see.

1589
01:40:41,568 --> 01:40:44,412
That's the most interesting one
take painting,

1590
01:40:44,438 --> 01:40:47,112
I have seen in recent years.

1591
01:40:47,141 --> 01:40:49,121
Very pleasant to see
something very material

1592
01:40:49,143 --> 01:40:51,316
and so bright and charming.

1593
01:40:55,649 --> 01:40:57,185
LIPPARD: He is part
history, now.
I mean,

1594
01:40:57,217 --> 01:40:59,527
he is someone who is a young artist

1595
01:40:59,553 --> 01:41:01,897
I will always know about,
is amazing.

1596
01:41:03,357 --> 01:41:07,396
SEROTA: I don't think
work hasn't been fully digested.

1597
01:41:07,428 --> 01:41:09,203
Still full of surprises.

1598
01:41:10,964 --> 01:41:13,376
There are many that can be pulled out.

1599
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:18,975
So I think the conclusion
will continue to grow.

1600
01:41:19,006 --> 01:41:23,352
Ripples will continue to arrive
from Ringaround Arosie.

1601
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:39,433
In 1972, Guggenheim
installed a memorial exhibition.

1602
01:41:39,460 --> 01:41:41,599
And that's amazing.
That is the whole Guggenheim.

1603
01:41:48,569 --> 01:41:52,107
I don't think we all realize
how good the job is.

1604
01:41:52,139 --> 01:41:55,348
I mean, you know,
is a five-year job.

1605
01:41:55,375 --> 01:41:56,854
I have an event in Guggenheim

1606
01:41:56,877 --> 01:41:58,879
work around five years.

1607
01:41:58,912 --> 01:42:01,222
And that is a ring around it
museum, you know?

1608
01:42:02,816 --> 01:42:05,592
When you see what volume

1609
01:42:05,619 --> 01:42:08,600
Eva managed to achieve it
in that time period,

1610
01:42:08,622 --> 01:42:10,624
it makes you aware

1611
01:42:10,657 --> 01:42:12,898
what you can do in five years.

1612
01:42:15,362 --> 01:42:17,535
GOLDMAN: Everything happened to him,

1613
01:42:17,564 --> 01:42:20,340
good or bad, empower it.

1614
01:42:20,367 --> 01:42:25,077
That is the splendor of art.

1615
01:42:31,912 --> 01:42:34,290
WAPNER: I remember being around

1616
01:42:34,314 --> 01:42:37,056
three or four of us,
sit around talking.

1617
01:42:38,051 --> 01:42:40,998
And he describes his work

1618
01:42:41,021 --> 01:42:44,628
and how short it is,

1619
01:42:44,658 --> 01:42:48,731
and how he doesn't care about the eternal.

1620
01:42:48,762 --> 01:42:51,606
And that ingredients can decrease

1621
01:42:51,632 --> 01:42:54,044
is part of the package.

1622
01:42:54,067 --> 01:42:59,073
And he said, "Look at this glass?"

1623
01:42:59,106 --> 01:43:04,317
And he threw it
the fireplace and it was destroyed.

1624
01:43:04,344 --> 01:43:07,450
And he said, "That's my job."

1625
01:43:09,683 --> 01:43:11,390
HESSE: Life doesn't last long.

1626
01:43:15,389 --> 01:43:17,733
Art doesn't last long.

1627
01:43:23,297 --> 01:43:25,402
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