As the Head of the Shin Bet,
You learn that politicians prefer binary options.
They don't like having three or four choices.
They want you to tell them, "Zero or one."
"Do it, don't do it."
As a commander, I find myself
in a situation that exists different gray shades.
Say you are hunting a terrorist.
You can get it,
but there are one or two people in the rowing.
You are not sure if they are part of the gang or not.
What are you doing? Do you fire or not?
There is no time.
This situation is the last moment, the longest minute.
People expect a decision,
and with their decision usually means "act."
That's a decision.
"Don't do it" seems easier, but it's often more difficult.
Sometimes this operation is very clean.
No one is hurt except a terrorist .
Even then, later, life stops,
at night, when you are shaving.
We all have our moments. Vacation...
You said, "Alright,
" I made a decision
"and the number of X people killed.
"They must be about to launch a major attack."
Nobody is close to those who are injured. It's just as sterile.
But you still say,
"There is something unnatural about that."
What is unnatural is the power you have
to take three people, terrorists,
and commit suicide in an instant.
How old are you during the Six Day War?
I am 11 years old.
I remember thinking, "What is war?"
It's hard to say if I really understand,
but I remember her feelings
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I read it a lot, if Israel loses war.
It illustrates a very unpleasant scenario
we lost the war
and the Arabs conquering Israel.
It had a big impact on me.
I thought about it like a boy.
In the Six Day War, I was in Operation.
The Arabs gave up
and we suddenly left without enemies.
You are like a dog in a race, looking for rabbits
The rabbit goes underground, and the dog can't find it.
We are like that.
Then we start working < br /> in the West Bank and Gaza
in anti-terrorism, without knowing exactly what it is
because terrorism has not developed yet.
We decided to do a census in the Region
to find out how many people < > live in a refugee camp.
That's important. We used the information for years.
But you know how things are. </ P>
They call backup and train them quickly. </ P>
What I mean quickly ? You knock on the door.
They ask, "Who is there?" You say, "Soldier."
"What do you want?" "We came to count you."
That's it. How many words?
It's okay. Ten words.
The reservis unit comes and knocks on the door.
They asked, "Who is there?" What did the army say?
"Warrior," as they learned.
"What do you want?"
But they make mistakes.
Instead of saying nehsikum with unreasonable
they use accents
What is the difference?
"Jinna nehsikum" means "We come for count you. "
" Jinna nekhsikum "with an accent is" We came to castrate you. "
We attended an intensive course oral and literary Arabic,
read articles and manuscripts.
Anyone who takes Shin Bet & apos; s Arabic program seriously
knows Arabic
He can listen to Arabic and read between lines.
He can read notes from agents...
Shin Bet looks for people to talk to
to understand what motivates Palestinians.
For the first time, some Jews raised it
the idea of a Palestinian state.
I like the idea,
so I go to Territory with people
who handles Palestinians
We don't know what we want to achieve.
We don't get directions about our goals.
If you don't get directions from politicians,
Anda ... sama seperti dengan kelinci ... mencari.
I started as coordinator in Nablus district.
Is a very beautiful area, full of olive trees.
I like getting out of the car and wandering
on the field, refugee camps, alleyways,
visiting the house, sitting in a cafe, talking... .
I really like the interaction with people.
From exotic encounters with olive trees,
landscapes, and farmers,
I find myself at the center of from the Palestinian problem
I work in a refugee camp. </ P>
Suddenly you see what refugees are.
Once you look deeper, you say, "Wait.
" I'm not an observer, here to take photos and go.
"I am an active participant."
Initially, your security role is everything you care about.
It's easier to be on that side.
Curfew is placed in the casbah of Hebron,
where one Israeli soldier was killed and the others were injured.
Both of them patrolled when shots were heard.
Someone is injured. Others chase the shooter.
He was later found killed here.
Gradually there is an increase... To make him cynical,
fortunately for us, terrorism increases.
Why do I say that?
Because now we are working
and we stop dealing with a Palestinian state
- understand? - Of course.
Once we stop trading with a Palestinian state
and start dealing with terrorism,
terror becomes more sophisticated. So do we.
Suddenly we have a lot of work in Gaza and the West Bank,
and abroad also,
so we forget about the Palestinian problem.
In Nablus, wherever you throw stones,
There is a cat or terrorist.
A few nights we held hundreds of people. </ P>
We will take over a village
and collect everyone in the square,
usually in the mosque or in the school yard.
We use the "identifier" technique.
Terrorists claiming will be put in the vehicle.
Windows have blinds and they wear masks.
We will sit there, and villagers pass
Next to the vehicle, and they will tell us,
"He is a terrorist trained in Syria,"
"He is a terrorist returning from Jordan."
Not everyone works together,
but we usually catch it.
At that time, most intelligence was based on HUMINT,
HUMAN INTENSITY we got in two ways.
Whether from our agent or interrogation of inmates.
On my first day at work,
the person I changed picked me up at home
He decided the best place to train an inexperienced security person like me
interrogation facilities in Jerusalem.
I started learning intelligence there.
I don't know if you've done it before? Being in jail,
but one in Jerusalem is the worst thing I know.
This is a very old building from the time of the Turks.
Normal people walk through the door and he is ready to admit to killing Jesus.
You need to make the suspect feel tense.
You need to make it understand
that when we are finished, he will submit the information,
be faster the better.
Shin Bet has interrogated
tens of thousands of people, if not hundreds of thousands.
Shin Bet is a well-oiled system.
This is well organized and effective. This is systematic.
You receive the territorial unit
and study it, village by village, follow in the footsteps,
whether by field visit
or many interviews with the masses of people who come
to military headquarters.
You sit with them and ask
them to tell you about the village, clan, </ p >
of the number of people in the village
for what institutions you have...
You finally reached the point
where you mark who you want to recruit.
In the end you know that you want X
because of connection X,
his ability to infiltrate the place where you want to watch
is such that he is his agent You want to recruit.
Recruiting people means taking someone who
usually doesn't like you
and making him do something he never believe he can
To convince someone to be betrayed
his environment, his friends, Sometimes his family
is not a small thing.
All in all, we get control of the war on terror.
We store it on a low fire so that the state can do what it wants.
That's important,
but that doesn't solve the problem from occupation
What happened was
not 20 attacks a week, there were 20 years.
All in all, there is no Israeli prime minister
considering Palestinians, </ p >
whether they live inside boundaries & 67; or not.
What is the difference between Golda Meir and Begin? None.
He did not visit Arabs. Nor did he.
He calls himself a Palestinian.
Begin didn't even say it because they weren't important to him.
On Peres day, the atmosphere changes,
but he does the same thing as his predecessor.
- Continue the occupation? - Yes!
Elves continue to show us this chart.
How many people were caught ? How many informants are there?
How many attacks have been prevented? How many?
The image is always bright,
but it's point-specific. There is no strategy, just tactics.
1982 Lebanon war.
IDF entered Lebanon.
Shin Bet recruits operatives.
In a short time, the Shin Bet controls Lebanon,
is the same as controlling the West Bank.
Avraham Shalom is the head of the Shin Bet.
After the most years leading intelligence services,
Mossad was replaced by the Shin Bet.
I thought that was him
to Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir and before him, Begin,
the most important people in their security circle
I think what happened to him that he felt he could do whatever he wanted.
People were not amazed by Avraham Shalom. They were afraid of him.
They are afraid of him.
He is strong, strong, smart,
very stubborn, uncompromising and disturbing.
If he don't like something, head will roll over.
I was in Jerusalem When 300 bus incidents occurred.
Central Command Head calls me on the hotline
A bus heading south Tel Aviv is hijacked
and goes to Gaza.
A chase occurs with a helicopter.
The bus stops right outside my area.
They call that morning to say it that they raided the bus
and two terrorists I was taken to interrogation
I turned on the news and heard that all terrorists were killed.
I told my wife that something was foul smelling here.
Please explain what happened that night.
You got a call and were told a bus was hijacked?
I don't remember
- I was in Haifa. - Yes and...
They said, "A bus was hijacked. Come on." So I left.
"Terrorists were beaten to death by Security Forces"
The army handled it.
During the operation,
They killed two people, and two others come out unscathed.
I don't know that.
They beat the spotlight from them,
two of them.
So Shin Bet takes them...
I ask Ehud, Chief of Operations,
What conditions are they in? </ P>
He said they were almost dead. Maybe the army said that. </ P>
So I said, "Hit them again and finish." </ P>
He didn't do that. </ P>
He did what he explained,
- which I found a year later. - What did he do?
I thought he took a stone and destroyed their heads,
but they are unconscious.
I don't know what their situation is.
Photos show them before they are beaten.
Soldiers pounce on them.
The photo was taken before that.
It's not how they look when we get it.
How do they look?
I don't know, But some people think they are dead
They break their bones. It's a death sentence.
You don't see them physically?
I didn't see them.
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We killed a terrorist, whose hands were tied,
who no longer threatened us.
With what was right
But at the Shin Bet when that,
there is no such concept as an illegal command.
and to some extent, they are watching the Shin Bet.
This is a difficult question.
Does the Prime Minister know about planned murder,
plans to kill terrorists caught on 300 buses?
Does the head of the Shin Bet have the authority to do that, to make that decision? </ P>
Under what circumstances does Shamir give you permission to kill? </ P>
There is one or two cases, when I can't find it,
and it must be done.
What to do?
We have to deal with Arabs who will launch the attack,
or launch the attack.
He says, "If you can't find me, decide for yourself
When did you realize that you had to resign?
I offered my resignation to Shamir the next day.
He said, "Don't dare."
He was afraid if I resigned, < br /> he must also resign.
He went to Shimon Peres. Rabin was the Minister of Defense.
He said, "You gave the same permission to kill,
" so if you leave us to the wolf,
"we will drag you with us."
They keep telling me what to do and how to respond.
I don't do anything without coordinating it.
I have never imagining the incident one year coordinating,
they would drop this problem and say, "We don't know."
I no longer take politicians seriously.
- Because? - Because I see that they can't be trusted.
They leave the injured in the field. /> It's not for me. </ P>
You're the one who hurt
Not me All Shin Bet. </ P>
The Shin Bet operation says, "We were sent to a 24/7 mission. </ P>
" Some legalities are questioned. Some are almost illegal. </ P>
"Some are legal. </ P>
"Nobody gives us support. </ P>
" Once the press knows about the operation,
"if we don't get support whatever from politicians,
"this is a sign that they are leaving us."
"The agreement was reached: The Shin Bet head resigned..."
Shin Bet exposure as a result of 300 bus incidents
and that feeling, "Guys, we are not omnipotent.
"There is a legal system above us" start sinking
Why did you give orders to kill them?
I don't want any more terrorists living in court.
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It will only increase terrorism. It increases it.
Does it really kill terrorists on 300 buses?
Based on the results, no.
- Only because of the results? - Only because of the results.
So, if there are no reporters, it's OK
Do you ask me, or did you tell me? </ P>
I ask you. </ P>
If he doesn't come, nobody knows. </ P>
With terrorism there is no moral. Find the morals of the terrorists first.
And if he gives up?
- This is not a moral matter. - Then what is that?
This is a tactical, not strategic problem.
So for you, the decision killed two terrorists...
You still painted it black and white. There was a decision...
Two captured terrorists were killed.
Why did you succeed?
I tried to understand his morality.
There is no morality in such cases.
In the war on terror, forget morality
If there is a one-ton bomb, forget morality
The First Intifada is the charge of who blew up this room,
with all the explosives,
because it happened spontaneously.
A nation rose and tried to launch a revolution,
to kick us out.
I am the second in command here in the Southern District.
A wave of mass protests erupted, bigger than anything we saw .
Hundreds and thousands. People take to the streets.
Only fire of life can stop it.
The number of people in the list that the Shin Bet is looking for
is probably the biggest from the intelligence agency anywhere.
Dozens in every region, hundreds, thousands...
Explain how Shin Bet, /> who controls this region,
does not foresee the rebellion of this magnitude.
What does the intelligence agency know the fall of the Berlin Wall?
Complaining about Shin Bet should have been predicted...
Formally, in principle, yes, it should.
That's the hope. </ P>
That's why you operate the system,
maintain a very large intelligence factory... right.
But you have to tell the truth.
Almost all intelligence of agencies in the world
failed to predict major historical events.
You ask yourself, "Where am I wrong?"
Not in the sense that I rule them,
but should I let this happened,
or should I go before they say, "Get out."
But the question is more philosophical than practical.
They are the most interesting.
Yes, but listen. You can't...
Most of them don't have a definite answer.
I don't need a definite answer.
There are many examples Since 1967, when, in my opinion,
and I think that too,
we should have achieved it an agreement and get out.
Why don't you say that?
We all have our criticisms,
but that doesn't suit my mandate
to convince Prime Minister to go to Palestine or not.
It also depends on who is handling this problem
Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir never believed
an agreement with the Arabs was possible.
Yitzhak Rabin really believed it.
If we want a serious opportunity
in solving the Palestinian-Israeli problem,
the time is now, and the partner is PLO,
who got rid of the principles themselves that I hate them for.
For us, the Oslo Agreement < br /> erupted in one day.
The fairy is the head of the Shin Bet at that time.
He updated me about Oslo.
He said, "Avi, listen, we must act Hurry up,
"to talk to PLO & sos; s representatives on the field
"and deal with all the suspects
" because we cannot continue chasing the PLO suspect
"after we sign an agreement in Washington."
It's amazing. The first meeting was held in Geneva.
Sitting in the lobby is Jibril Rajoub,
and me, not me personally but Shin Bet,
put it he was in prison when he was 16 years old.
He sat in prison for 18-20 years.
You saw that you met people
whose wishes to peace and tranquility,
who wants an agreement
is not ambitious than yours
That is very difficult for me.
I feel like I'm doing something...
I can't do this. I chase those people.
How can I sit with terrorists?
They kill people.
Can I sit with them?
For them, by the way, I too a terrorist.
As a Palestinian, he looks at you and says, "You are also a terrorist."
How did that happen?
Then You realize that...
"That one man's terrorist fighter of another's freedom." </ P>
Israel's enemy number one terrorist
until Arafat's day entering Gaza
is Fatah, PLO.
Instantly, the PLO leaves the circle of terror.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad fill the void.
We wonder how the Palestinians will function.
What is their commitment to fighting terrorism
in the area they control.
We also ask how we can prevent terrorism
if we no longer control the Region.
The first bus bombing I saw was bus 5 in 1994.
It was the first suicide bombing in Tel Aviv.
I didn't will never forget it
This is the first time I feel it I can't isolate myself
From that view, from body odor burnt.
I will never forget it
Later it passed. I saw many other bus attacks.
This continued with the attack that is terrible on Beit Lid Junction
and the Stock Exchange and 18 buses in Jerusalem.
Feelings at Shin Bet whenever there is an attack
that we can't prevent it
is a terrible sense of failure, disappointment,
Especially if the attack is huge.
There is a feeling of disappointment .
How do we fail to prevent it?
That is the lowest point in the Shin Bet
I remember in 32- 33 years I in the organization.
As suicide attacks increase,
as long as Hamas plays the main role in this attack,
the need to use moderate physical pressure During interrogation increases
Interrogating Hamas and Islamic Jihad is far more difficult.
Anyone who wants to sacrifice his life,
is it for a virgin in heaven or not, </ p >
nothing to lose.
Things become more complicated with "the right time bomb."
that basically means that you have information or instructions
about the possibility of an attack terrorist,
whether to commit suicide or something
However, people will die
and how to find out, "Yes, no, then , where? "
lies with the person you are interrogating.
You use all types of techniques
reduce its ability to refuse.
Interrogation techniques we are allowed to be
sleep deprivation
sit handcuffed in sickness, demean , tiring position.
What did you get from covering their heads?
It's pitch black, and you lose your feeling where you are.
You don't know what's around you.
You can hear, But you don't know what's there.
And shaking?
Vibrate is used to set the presence.
This threatens. There is no harm.
What it does is intimidate you. </ P>
An interrogator picks you up and shakes you up you feel threatened. </ P>
What happened is that? someone named Harizat,
from Hamas, was a small man and he was shaken.
That was the case of a shaken baby syndrome.
His brain hit his skull and he died as a result.
This results in a bitter argument
between me as the head of the Shin Bet and Attorney General Michael Ben-Yair,
who consider it immoral and unethical.
In response, I said that if we don't use it,
if we prevent 90 percent from suicide attacks now,
we will prevent 70 percent instead,
which means Israelis are dead.
Prime Minister Rabin must decide.
He once came out of his chair angrily
and shout at Ben-Y a ",
" You keep saying what I can't do!
"Tell me what I can do ! "
that is a very contentious matter.
Rabin is a security officer in every bone on his body,
is not someone we have to explain when we say,
"We don't have the tools to provide security."
He understood it perfectly.
You see that he was torn on it,
but he made a decision saying, </ p >
"We will fight terror as if there is no peace process
" and continue the peace process as if there was no terror. "
When the attack increases,
is correct, and not just extremists,
goes down on the road against the Oslo Accords.
That's what Hamas wants, and they succeed.
With blood and fire, we will drive Rabin out!
Most of the opposition to the peace process came from religious camps.
Their leader was the target of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.
The incitement was focused on him.
As a young army who recruited in 1974, they took us
to stop the first Jewish settlers in The West Bank.
We stood there, rows of soldiers grabbing each other's arms.
The settlers started to beat us in anger.
I remember that I really didn't like it.
Illegal settlements were built even though
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or contrary to, government decisions,
but no Israeli government
The fact that most Israeli governments
have not given the settlers
the feeling that they are slowly hosting,
that they get the freedom to act
because the government turned away.
If they do it with an illegal settlement,
This can continue to be an illegal activity.
On in 1980, Fatah cells
attacked worshipers who went synagogues in Hebron.
The revenge attack occurred 30 days later.
They attacked the Palestinian mayor Bassam Shaka & apos; a in Nab / us
and Karim Halaf in Ramallah .
Another bomb was blinded by someone from the bomb squad
at Ibrahim Tawil's house, al-Bireh's mayor.
We know the Jews did it.
We don't think that is some Palestinian group that compete
You check Jewish files and find no clues.
At some point you realize that you have a problem,
that it is intelligence failure.
We put our entire Operations Unit in action.
The operation was entered tens of thousands of hours,
until, 6 months later, we were in the right direction.
We know who did it.
They are very ideological groups, really the best quality.
In addition, some of them are even the leaders of from the communities where they live.
That gives them access to the Prime Minister.
They have access to the Knesset.
They have access to the ministry.
They are friends with ministers.
They is part of the founding of Israel,
esteemed establishment of the State of Israel.
We say, "if we do not arrest them In his actions, we will never can catch them. "
That decision came when they planned to install a bomb
on the Palestinian bus on the spot parking in Jerusalem.
The attack they planned on the bus was crazy.
They intended to kill 250 Arabs at once.
We followed them all night.
I ordered the operation in Jerusalem.
It was another night that I will never forget.
We held them at 4:30 a.m., put a bomb on the bus.
We got out of our car and said, "Come on, join us.
" If you don't want anything to happen to our bomb squad,
"Unload the bomb."
We did our first wave of arrests, from 17 members.
Then we investigated and found that from 1978-9,
they planned an attack on the Temple Mount
to blow up the Dome of the Rock.
At first, the idea was based on the belief that
during the "abomination" that stands on the site of the Jewish Temple,
there will be no redemption
and therefore, they have to get rid of the dome.
They prepare bombs.
They use very sensitive types of explosives, Semtex.
It was planned by Menachem Livni,
who became the dismantling of the genius.
Allegations will be placed in such a way all burst power
will be directed to the supporting structure.
This will result in in the collapse of the Dome.
The consequences of blowing up Dome of the Rock, even today,
is that it can cause total war by all Islamic countries,
not only Arab countries,
Not only Iran, Indonesia too,
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against the state of Israel
I am not talking about the risks to Jewish minorities around the world.
These people decided to do it
of some mystical beliefs that this will be the Armageddon War
that will deliver the Messiah and the Jewish kingdom.
After we open the Jewish Underground,
Prime Minister Shamir called my unit "diamonds in the crown."
We received praise and support from everywhere.
Then the lobby on their behalf begins.
different sentences. They all get out of prison very quickly.
They went home as if nothing had happened.
They returned to the previous position,
some even went to a higher position.
The main question is how history will judge us
in the history of the Jews.
I am sure The Dome of the Rock
will not stay on the Temple Mount
and the Temple Mount will return to us,
just as I'm sure that the murderer same,
whose legs I take part in removing,
deserve their fate
All underground released by the Knesset.
Forgiveness Law for Jews Underground signed by
Yitzhak Shamir as Prime Minister of Israel.
Not just a few members from the Opposition
Initially, "Oh, no, they break the law.
"They kill people. They want to blow up the country," etc.
Then they say, "They are our flesh and blood myself. "
Then, the delegitimization process of was transferred to the Shin Bet.
The story of the Jewish Underground was an episode
that was correct really shaken up Shin Bet's wise intelligence.
This formed an intelligence mechanism That, from that moment on,
continued to watch over the Jewish suspect worth watching,
in our opinion, in the West Bank.
You watch it carefully. You work hard
and come Yigal Amir, who has never been on the list of suspects.
He wakes up one morning and shoots the Prime Minister.
Around July-August 1995,
I began to feel that way faced with an increase in
of the potential for the murder of the Prime Minister.
Rabin is a traitor! Rabin is a traitor!
We are against the government that brings us to the brink!
Right activity in Israel is not secret again.
You don't need the head of the Shin Bet to explain
what did Aunt Netanyahu or Arik Sharon say
to the demonstrators at Jerusalem
You don't need the head of the Shin Bet to explain
to the Israeli public and especially Prime Minister
the importance of Rabin's coffin on a mock funeral.
With blood and fire, we will drive Rabin!
Things start to heat up more and more.
There was an experimental attack at the Wingate Institute.
After that, I approached him and said,
"Listen, Yitzhak, it doesn't work like that.
" They will hurt you in the end .
"I ask you to start using bulletproof vests
" and drive in an armored car. We will improve your security details. "
He helped me down.
" I am a soldier in front of the State. I will not wear a bulletproof vest. "
Did you talk to the rabbis and the settler leaders?
Yes. I met with rabbis. I met with settler leaders.
We talked about incitement and rebellion.
The government has no right forcing people to do
anything that conflicts Torah and Jewish Law.
You all here,
With your presence at this meeting,
prove
that people really want peace
and oppose violence.
I went to Paris on Thursday, maybe Wednesday,
on that assignment forced by Rabin
I got call from the head of my bureau,
who told me that Rabin was injured.
I was shocked, of course, but I was surrounded by people,
so I have to function.
On a personal level, until I sit on a plane in the dark at night,
on a flight to Tel Aviv, I think this is the first time
what I started feeling in my heart what I knew in my head
Thank God for these four hours
because it gave me a chance to absorb losses
from a man who is truly extraordinary.
"I am ashamed."
Come to think of it, I can say that it changes all over the world.
Suddenly I see a different Israel.
I am not aware of its intensity from the abyss and hatred,
of the split there is between us.
How do we see our future?
What do we have in common?
Why are we here? What do we want ?
All of that is clear, and everything falls apart.
Rabin's murder destroyed all hope.
This shows very clearly that some punk from a murderer,
with a gun that can barely shoot,
can get rid of hope, the whole peace process.
He can change everything.
First of all, I decide , After consulting with my wife,
I will take the responsibility of the minister,
and submit my resignation.
I did it right away. </ P>
What did he say to you? </ P>
He... tried to keep me alive. </ P>
That was a very difficult time. </ P> >
Yigal Amir succeeded. He changed history.
He made it big time.
- Until today. - Until today.
On the contrary, it is getting worse.
I believe that we will see another political assassination
around withdrawal from the West Bank.
It will come from everything direction, especially from the rabbis,
because rabbis have there is no reason to learn anything.
As far as the extremist rabbi concerned , the system proved itself.
Rabin Murder took me to the Shin Bet.
A year earlier, I lowered Rabin,
when he asked me to become the head of the Shin Bet.
After the murder of Yitzhak Rabin, I realized I had no choice.
It's clear Shin Shin is facing a serious crisis
and everyone at Shin Bet knows about it.
Everything about Shin Bet & apos; s surgery collapsed
The security surrounding The Prime Minister collapses.
The intelligence that should be there prevents the murder from collapsing.
Shin Bet's strong suit,
prevent Palestinian and Islamic terror,
can no longer provide the goods.
The organization goes down to calculate.
Shin Bet needs new tools and they must be developed.
We also realize that we rely on strength,
not our brain.
We start applying it organizational shift,
from field operations for people sitting in the office
in front of their computer monitor.
We prevent more attacks every year.
We achieve greater security every year.
How did that happen?
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That has a lot to do with change we made it at Shin Bet,
But the truth must be told.
A more significant achievement
is cooperation between us and Palestinians.
I met with all the top sections Palestinian security officials,
< i> everything, once a month, to coordinate intelligence.
They always say to me,
"We are not your agent.
"We only do it because our people believe that,
" at the end of the day, we will have a country next to Israel.
" When we no longer believe that, forget us. "</ P>
Just as there is a strong desire, a firm decision
and real intentions by Peres and Rabin to reach agreement
after Rabin left, desire,
or Israel's intention to achieve it a real agreement shrank,
to make it lighter.
There is no good faith from the Palestinian side
and not from Israel.
We want security and get more terrorism.
They want a country and get more settlements.
When we started the Oslo process in 1993-1994,
100,000 settlers lived in the West Bank and Gaza,
did not belong to the suburbs of Jerusalem new ones.
At the end of the process,
6-7 years later,
in the summer of 2000, When the process collapsed,
there are more than 220,000 settlers
Ehud Barak is very proud
has built more settlements from Aunt Netanyahu
or other Prime Ministers before him
So the question is not whether is a partner.
Arafat has no partner. Barracks have no partners.
It's clear we are heading to towards another Intifadah,
another round of violence by a group, a community, a nation
who felt there was no harm.
In 2002, I went to London.
The Intifada went berserk. It was hell and we went to London,
a group of Israelis and a group of Palestinians,
to see if we can do anything
In some cases, I made a cup of coffee for myself
and I was approached by a Palestinian acquaintance
was named Sate Satwa a Psychiatric Doctor.
He said, "Ami, we finally beat you."
I said to him, "Are you angry? What do you mean, defeat us?
"Hundreds of you were killed. At this level thousands of you will be killed.
" You will lose whatever few countries you have
" and you will lose the dream of your country. What kind of victory is that? "
He said to me, " Ami, I don't understand you.
" You still don't understand us. </ P>
"For us, victory is seeing you suffer. </ P>
" That's all we want. </ P>
"The more we suffer, < br /> the more you will suffer.
"Finally, after 50 years, we have reached the balance of power,
" a balance,
"Your F-16 against our suicide bomber." </ P>
lyad Saraj's statement gave me very clear insight
Suddenly I understood the bomb phenomenon suicide.
Suddenly I understand Our reaction is very different.
How many operations have we launched because we are sick,
because when they blow up the bus It really hurts us and we want revenge?
How often do we do that?
Yahya Ayyash is the most senior terrorist
who has operated against Israel,
certainly the most senior member of Hamas.
He is an engineer.
He knows how to make a bomb from improvised explosives.
That was a bomb belt which exploded on the bus.
Second, he knew how to convince someone to commit suicide
Finally, he has the ability to survive the description of beggared.
For years, every IDF soldier took his picture.
He is undoubtedly us the number one most sought after by people.
Yahya A yyash moved from Samaria to Gaza.
It takes some time to get that intelligence.
Then we started the basic supervision to see the around, where he went.
Of course, everyone has his weaknesses.
Yahya Ayyash's weak point is his wife and child.
After a long time living alone in Gaza, he asked them to join him.
We knew the whole story, and I decided to let them enter Gaza.
I thought, once they were in Gaza, he would want to see it.
Maybe the mouse will come out of the hole.
Then we found that he really missed his father.
How do you know that? she wants to talk to her father?
We hear.
- From the source? - We heard rumors
He never used a cellphone. People called him.
After weeks of persuasion,
he agreed to talk with his father for a few minutes. </ P>
At this point, we start laying the foundation
for our cellphone to infiltrate around it.
Then we start doing it all backup jobs,
make sure it's innocent The cellphone has explosives in it.
Shin Bet is a technical expert,
experts make small equipment with lots of power,
not so much broadcast power as explosive power.
Because it's difficult for us to make direct contact with Ayyash,
we use intermediary services.
He gave her cellphone.
One Friday, everything is there.
We turn off explosives on the phone
and nothing works.
Everything that we wake up for eight months mess in front of us.
Everything works perfectly.
Then we click to get coffee and it doesn't come out.
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Within a few days, the phone returned to its natural environment.
We see that no one suspects anything,
things are running as usual.
We all gather again.
On Friday morning, his father called him.
The bugging cable is known Ayyash's voice and tells us.
Someone presses a button
and the cellphone explodes
while it's right next to Yahya Ayyash. </ P>
He was killed on the spot and no one around him was hurt.
More importantly, nobody On the ground floor was an explosion.
Operasi itu dikoordinasikan dengan Angkatan Udara Itu berjalan sangat baik.
It's very clean... elegant.
I like operations like that. They are nice and neat.
For some people, Yahya's murder Ayyash,
at the time that seems relatively free from attack,
Some people say it's a mistake.
Sometimes it feels lonely
and you say, "Oh, we disturb the peace."
Two months later, it looks like /> the whole country exploded.
- Yes. - Don't you see the connection?
Yes, we know for sure,
after Ayyash's murder a group crosses the fence
and leaves Gaza to organize attacks from the West Bank.
Of course I see the connection.
But if we make the equation,
if we kill them, they will carry out a suicide attack,
If we don't kill them, they won't do it.
The second part of the equation is wrong .
Once we leave Gaza,
we cannot enter the Palestinian territories,
suddenly, with little power, and come out safely.
How do you surprise a terrorist? From the air, from a distance.
He did not know where the missile came from. </ P>
But to fire missiles from a distance,
you need intelligence that is very right
and not for a split second, but for the whole operation
What is targeted murder?
Where do we break the chain?
Okay, we will hurt.
If necessary, we will even kill whoever comes to kill us
What happens to people around around?
What happened to people who made explosives,
who carried them, who who made the plan,
who collected intelligence, and who preached the idea?
They don't kill
They preach an ideology that, in the end,
creates jihad and leads /> for the death of Israelis
Salah Shehadeh what we call "hair,"
which governs all terror of Hamas < br /> operations in Gaza are moving.
The hunt is very difficult,
with lots of intelligence the tools invested in it.
At some stage, It is clear that he is at home,
that his daughter is not, </ i i>
and that is only his wife with him.
We agreed by telephone,
Chief of Staff, I, Minister of Defense and Prime Minister.
Air Force drop one ton bomb at home.
Unfortunately, because inappropriate intelligence,
innocent people are killed
Nobody knows the final number, 9- 14. </ P>
When you drop a one-ton bomb in densely populated areas,
as in the Shehadeh incident,
obviously the observer will be hurt...
No, that's not clear. No. You gather intelligence information. </ P>
Where do people live
How much? Who? What is the chance? Where did you shoot? </ P >
Implications of this incident, in the event of collateral damage,
raises criticism of how we can drop bombs
in a house in the middle of Gaza .
An American asked me about it.
I said, "We know your method in Afghanistan
" You bomb a wedding and 70 people are killed
"and no one knows if the target is killed."
Excessive This is security stupidity! This is military stupidity. </ P>
I don't know what to call it,
But it doesn't make sense to kill the most important person in Gaza
You have to drop a ton of bombs at home
surrounded by houses with family and children.
That can't be moral,
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is not militarily effective
and certainly not humane.
Is that That's not it.
There is a concept, "crime boredom."
When you start doing it en masse, 200, 300 people die
because of his idea of "targeted murder." </ p >
Suddenly the process becomes some sort of conveyor belt
You ask yourself where less and less where to stop
September 6, 2003, is for me, My toughest day as the head of the Shin Bet.
On that day the State of Israel
had the opportunity to get rid of the biggest terrorist group
We have very reliable and precise intelligence
Hamas leaders will hold a meeting
as they have never had before, and probably never will.
I think there are ten or twelve people there,
but créme de la créme, merde de He merde.
Really... everyone is there.
Suddenly I was told, "Listen, the army is opposed.
"A one-ton bomb will cause collateral damage. "
There is a bitter argument. Finally, after a few hours,
the Prime Minister believes to cancel the attack
I call the Prime Minister to convince him that it doesn't make sense.
The compromise is a quarter of a ton.
It is based on probability.
The house has two stories.
If they are on the second floor, it will kill them.
If they are on the first floor, it won't kill anyone.
Bombs dropped.
This is a direct hit.
The second story is destroyed
and the whole "Team Dream" flees home on their own two feet.
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Some people insist they see despicable Sheikh Yassin running.
If there are times when you realize,
It's not that we missed, but we were wrong ,
because of what happened with Salah Shehadeh,
It takes a long time to get there some people there,
like Sheikh Yassin and others.
God knows how much damage they cause
until we succeed to take what we do.
Some of them have never been taken out and are still active today.
I have often said, "Terror is a barrel with a base."
You can reach the bottom. You don't need to reach the last terrorist.
You reach critical mass, and it's quite deterrent. </ P>
I can prove to you that Hamas doesn't become more moderate
after Sheikh Yassin was eliminated.
I can prove to you
that when we kill Abbas Musawi and Nasrallah takes over instead,
the security situation in Israel doesn't really improve
That's why , when we deal, not with who comes to kill us immediately,
But with the person who preaches,
we go to a place, which one prohibited by international law
and basicjustice great pose question marks about ethics,
but I speak with you as the head of the Shin Bet.
This is not effective. </ P>
I was born near the Sea of Galilee.
I grew up in a children's home,
like all children who stayed at the kibbutzim doing at that time .
I have a beautiful childhood.
I know that there is a house in Jerusalem
and on the second floor There is a long corridor.
At the end of the corridor, there is a door
and behind the door is a wise person who made the decision
According to him.
My parents called him "Old Man," Ben- Gurlon.
Years later, after the Yom Kippur War,
I went to Jerusalem, and I went to the building same.
I was on the second floor
and did not find the door at the end of the corridor
and behind the missing door, Nobody thinks of me. </ P>
You see that void, that lack of initiative,
willingness to let something take their course,
without you stepping enter and say,
"This is so far, in this or that direction."
You cannot reconcile using military means
Peace must be built in the belief system,
after, or without using military methods
In the end you have to build it on the trust system.
As someone who knows Palestinians are good, I claim that
There should be no problem
building a trust system with them, the original
For Israel, this is too luxurious not to talk to our enemies. </ P>
As long as they decide not to do it speak to us, I have no choice,
but when we decide not to speak, I think we make a mistake.
Do you support talking to someone?
Whoever we can, even if they answer harshly, I continue to
There is no alternative.
- For what? - to speak
- Hamas? Islamic Jihad... - including everyone
I told everyone, so that included... </ p >
Even Ahmadinejad, whoever. I'm always for that
This is the nature of professional intelligence operation to talk to everyone.
Things become clarification.
I saw you didn't eat a glass. He saw me not drinking gas.
That's how it is.
I want to read something the
Professor Leibowitz, an occupying critic,
wrote a year later Six Day War , in 1968.
"A state decision on a hostility a population of one million foreigners
" will certainly be a Shin Bet country,
"With all this implies education,
" freedom of speech and thought
"and democracy.
" Corruption is found < > in every colonial regime
"will surrender to the State of Israel.
" The government must do it suppress Arab rebellion on one side
"and get Quislings, or Arab traitors, on the other side."
What do you think About this prediction, remember where Israel is now? </ P>
I agree with every word he writes. </ P>
- Explain. - There is no need explained.
Every word he says is engraved on a stone.
Is that what the Israeli people are like now?
I think it's an accurate depiction of the reality that appears
from 1968 until now.
I would not say that was a Shin Bet country,
But no doubt, our current flow is the situation with Palestine
undoubtedly created a very similar reality
for what Leibowitz wrote.
You knocked on the door in the middle of the night
and wake up the sleeping family, all huddled in bed.
mother's tears
or last goodbye the suspect you took from his family's arms... i>
It's not easy. You see families suffering,
difficult times between parents and children,
between children and parents
These times are over engraved deep inside you
and when you retire you become a few left-leaning people.
We make life unbearable millions,
into prolonged human suffering.
We leave the decision about what is right
to a soldier who had been spent a few months in the army.
A year earlier he finished high school, at best.
He stood there facing a father holds his baby girl
decides, whether he looks for it or not, does he let her pass or not
It kills me
The future is bleak. This is dark, the future.
Where is the direction? For a change in the character of the person
because if You put most of our young people in the army,
they will see a paradox. </ P>
They will see that it is trying to become a people's army,
like the Nahal unit, involved in building the country.
Besides, This is a brutal occupying power,
is similar to Germany in World War II. </ P>
Similar, not identical. </ P>
And I'm not talking about their behavior towards Jews
That's amazing, With its own characteristics.
I mean how they act Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands...
For all of them... Czech.
This is a very negative trait that we get,
to be... I'm afraid to say it, so I won't.
We have become cruel,
for ourselves too,
but especially for the occupied population,
uses the reason for the war on terror.
Clausewitz, who wise Even though he is not Jewish,
or at least we have not yet found Jewish roots,
said almost 200 years ago...
I translate, But the essence of what he says is,
"Victory is only creation a better political reality."
victory.
Victory does not dictate it we must conquer Gaza
or Ramallah or Nablus or Hebron.
I think my son, who was in charge of for three years in the paratroopers,
participated in the conquest of from Nablus at least two or three times.
Does that bring us victory? I don't think so. </ P>
Does it create a better political reality? </ P>
The Israeli tragedy public security debate </ p >
is that we don't realize that we face an annoying situation
where we win every battle,
but we lose the war.